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Fine, I misread your mention of 4.2.x as meaning you were using 4.2.x.
That's a moot point however.
The fact remains, if a developer asks you to test something, by all means
if you can't do so for some reason, indicate that you can't do so. Wether
or not you think a developer can reproduce it easily by downloading some
application and reproduce it in THEIR environment in 5 minutes is not
necessarily true. You have no idea what OS or environment a given developer
is using who might be looking at this bug, or wether they even HAVE java
environment available. Myself for example, and I assume other developers
also don't have any useful need for Java and don't use an OS that comes with
Java built into it. Do you expect me or someone else to locate IBM or Sun
Java for example, download it, install it, work out any installation problems
needed to get it working, possibly have to upgrade other software, and futz
around on our own dime for some unknown amount of time, then download some
unknown program and possibly have to do the same for potentially large
amounts of time?
Perhaps someone does have an environment that is suitable for testing the
application you provided a URL for, but DO NOT assume that.
You were politely asked if you had ever tried a recent DRI-CVS snapshot, and
I think that was a reasonable question from someone who potentially was
interested in helping you with your problem and/or looking into the matter
further.
With a response like you gave: "No. Sorry, I don't have the time to spend
hours and hours in experiments. Using the application from http://www.3dchat.org
offers a developer the possibility to reproduce this problem within minutes
(comparing to hours I'd need). So I really don't know where the problem is with
this REPRODUCEABLE bug."
Nobody made any demands on you to do anything. A simple question was asked
to which a simple yes/no answer would have been sufficient. Your attitude
indicates that you more or less think that DRI/XFree86 developers should
kiss your ass, or you're owed something. There is no way of anyone knowing
how long it would take to set up your theoretical 5 minute test environment,
and the ball is in your court really. You then shout "REPRODUCEABLE" as if
to yell it directly in our faces like we should kiss your ass.
I state again: You were not forced or told you MUST use DRI-CVS, it was
a developer suggestion only. It is of course highly recommended, since
that is where development occurs, and what is in XFree86 4.3.0 or earlier
is quite old in comparison to what is in DRI-CVS, and thus is not very
interesting for a DRI developer to care much about.
If you insist on being rude and demanding like you have been above, I highly
doubt anyone period would spend even 2 minutes to care about this issue
at all. If it is truely a serious issue requiring any level of important
attention, then more likely than not multiple people aside from you will
be affected, and other people will report the bug also - hopefully someone
more polite, who doesn't expect people to kiss their ass.
>In the time you spent to write this answer, you already could have checked the
>problem in a (your?) development environment (just to compare it with my
>efforts: downloading, compiling, testing and reinstalling of the version which
>worked better would need more than two hours).
Unlikely, as I don't have a Java runtime environment or anything else Java
related installed on any machines. I have no useful need for Java. Aside
from that though, what compelling reason in your rude and obnoxious response
to Alex's polite question would remotely compel me to even want to consider
spending 10 seconds downloading that software and testing it out if I (or
anyone else) *DID* have a Java environment installed?
>If you are not willing to fix bugs you should not offer a bugtracker.
Well first of all, this is XFree86.org's bug tracker, not mine, and I am
*NOT* a member of XFree86.org in any way. I am however a volunteer who does
work on XFree86 and does contribute fixes. The bug tracker is here to track
bugs, however it isn't here for rude obnoxious morons to file bug reports
and then badmouth developers (at XFree86.org, the DRI project, or anywhere
else), or make any demands upon them.
Quite frankly, if a bug is that important to you, and you can't be polite
to developers, don't bother reporting the bug in the first place. If the
problem affects enough people, probability-wise someone polite out there
will report it eventually.
> Hopefully XOuvert is coming soon...
Please don't make me laugh. You read slashdot too much. Feel free to
report your bug to the Xouvert webmaster if you believe the hype.
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