> > I would say that Effecting a full scale 'all in one go' transition is
> > VERY hard. I would suggest letting Liam make the poage official, and
> > continue refining the layout.
> 
> I don't see how a transition in one go is very hard at all. The DRI
> website is fairly small, all you have to do is cut-n-paste the existing
> content and re-arrange it into new pages as you see fit.
In terms of getting a working site not at all, in terms of making everyone
happy not so easy. 
 
> How do you think I made the current website?
> 
> If you can't handle cutting and pasting, the you shouldn't be designing
> websites ...
That's not quite how I did it, needless to say the content has been cleanly
seperated from layout by hand. 
 
> > The original layout of content was so illogical that there is really  
> > no way to transition gradually and still have things make sense.
> 
> Now you are contradicting yourself. You just said it was hard to make a
> transition in one go, now you say it is impossible to make a gradual
> transition. Which is it then?
neither which is why he gave up <g>

I seperated it - content done in one go (cut and paste), layout, styling,
editing, tweaking, etc done in phases. In other words both ways.
 
> > Liam is a braver man than I - I gave up after doing a significant 
> > amount of re-organisation, because I couldnt face the problem of doing
> > a phased update.
> 
> I don't think anyone wants a phased update. For a site as small as the
> DRI site, a one-go replacement makes sense. That is also what I told you
> originally when you asked me about it.
Phased as in looks - the content's all there except for the outdated bits
that have been removed or the new bits that have been added.  
 
> > I think that unless anyone has a MAJOR complaint about the new site, 
> > it should become the default.
> 
> Well, I for one don't think so. The current site didn't replace the
> previous site until I had adressed all the problems people had with it.
> I went through several revisions of the site on a different server until
> it went live on dri.sf.net.
btw what about now?
 
> I don't think the standards should be lowered just because you guys
> can't handle making revisions to the site before it goes live.
I'm not worried about standards it validates at w3c. <g>
 
> > I must confess that I am not surprised that the developers have STILL
> > not given Liam a complete list of supported features - despite being
> > aske long ago by him, and several times, more recently by me.
> 
> I must say that I am not surprised either. The developers have better
> things to do, such as actually working on the drivers (imagine that),
> than to compile lists of supported features.
David is working on something that may well make this very painless... 
  
> > I can download the linux kernel and Hack HAck Hack - its truely open,
> > specs and all. I cannot do this with DRI - there are no specs. all I 
> > can do is poke blindly.
> 
> As I said above, if you were really serious about becoming a developer
> you would be able to obtain documentation from the companies. Obviously
> you must be doing something wrong ...
Don't be petty. I recall from this list lots of people struggling to get 
documentation. ATI doesn't want HyperZ / iDCT implemented iirc. There's
the whole S3TC issue, obviously 3d card manufacturers are being anal about
there doc's.  

Liam
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