On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:24:37 -0700 Frank Worsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That hasn't happened (accepted and moved) so I haven't asked. <hint> > > I think there is two problems here ... > > 1. Since this is an open-source project there is no single person to > approve the website. Basically I don't think you will get 'approval' > from the group as a whole until your new site has some major advantage > that everyone is going to get excited about. Apparently right now this > is not the case, either because nobody cares about the changes you are > trying to make -or- because you haven't achieved those proposed changes > in your site update ... Understood. See 2. I care more about how it looks. > 2. The main problem Ian Molton and you seem to have with the current > site is that content is hard to find. That is probably a good point, but > I think the way you have reorganized the content is even worse. No offence intended but no, I just think the orignal site looks "none too nice" so does he AFAIK. > I am looking at the your site update right now and every page is very > long, with a multitude of things on a page - many of which don't really > seem to be related. For example, on the downloads page "IRC Meeting > Logs" and "Binary Snapshots". Also, since the pages are very long it is > hard to see what you can find on a page. Quite frankly (no pun intended) IRC logs are about the only thing out of place, and when I look at that page I wonder if I should remove them, however your idea to split documentation back out of help will draw attention back to them on that page meaning they can be safely removed. > Have you considered adding a horizontal line of content links to the top > of the page? One link to an anchor for each major item on the page. No I have not, but I have just learnt what "content links" means. > I believe adding such a "contents link line" to the current site would > make it much easier to navigate. For example on the current "Help & FAQ" > page there could be a line right below the title, with links to "FAQ - > Report Bugs - Mailing Lists". This makes it immediately obvious to > anyone what they can find on that page, without having to scoll and > potentially miss things. Bug reports will be dissapearing (at your request so bad example <g>) I must disagree on this point (I need persuasion perhaps a really good example / implementation where it works well) because help & status pages are the longest pages they could benefit from it the most (at all) but I like your other suggestions so much that they are about to become shorter and the colour banding makes it a dead simple after that. > Removing the frames from the current page is also a no-brainer since the > top and bottom links line for all major pages already exists. It is also > easy to update those links if they change since they are inserted by a > PHP header/footer function for each page. Ja but if you really don't like frames / can't use them you are catered for so it is not an issue. > A few other things I can think of to change in the current site are: > > - make the PHP dri_header function output all HTML headers and the > actual page title that is user visible. It doesn't do the latter right > now cause I was being stupid. I'm sort of lost I understand the php header funcion and what it did / does but HTML headers? > > - put the "What is the DRI" text from the "About DRI" page on the home > page. Remove the "About DRI" page and the existing junk on the home > page. There is no "About DRI" page. There is currently "What is the DRI" text on the home page already. Junk on the home page? Please be more specific, there is obviously some confusion here are we looking at the same page? > - combine the Resources and Downloads pages into one "Downloads" page > with sections "Binary Packages", "Kernel Modules", "Config Files", > "Other Libraries and Utilities" Thereby remove the old kernel module > sources from the new page. There is one downloads page already?? Although it does have IRC logs, and a CVS section (waiting on someone here). More confusion, same page? > - add a new "Contribute" or "Developer" page that includes our call for > developers from the "Status" page (remove that from the Status page), a > link to the developer FAQ and our mailing lists, link to IRC meeting > times and logs, links to the developer sections of the "Documentation" > page. > > - remove the "Report Problems" stuff from the Help & FAQ page since we > don't use the SF.net bugtracker anyway. Will do, I read about this on the mailing list, but I'm not going to remove it just because I think nobody wants it. > - add the "content links line" to each of these new pages. No. <see above> > - remove the frames (if people really dislike them that much) Some do, some don't. As you said can't make everyone happy. > In the end this leaves us with these pages: > > 1. Home - with the "About DRI" text, a nice intro to the project I think this is how it is. > 2. Status - the status of the hardware we support With 5 this is how it will be. > 3. Downloads - downloads of drivers, kernel modules, and other files Pretty much identical already. > 4. Documentation - all of our documentation for developers and end users This I like it was a dubious call to combine help & faq & documentation. > 5. Contribute - information useful to developers I like this as well. > 6. Help & FAQ - the FAQ and links to the mailing lists and archives If 4. is done this is exactly how it will be. (in other words documentation is in there right now.) > 7. Project - link to the project page Exactly as it is / was / always has been / will be. > Ok. What do you think about that? How about changing the existing page > instead of reinventing the wheel? What I think - read the comments. That is how it was done I have various DRI sites eg new, old , update sitting on my HDD. > In the time I wrote this email I could have probably done a fair bit of > that work myself, but I don't have time to continuously maintain the > site. It would be nice for someone to finally take over and after making > those changes actively maintain the site and add some other cool > features. I must say I appreciate your input / opinions / requests if have been trying to obtain this sort of thing from people a while back I'd pretty much given up on getting any more than I already got. > I would also recommend that you work together with Nick Leippe. Nick and I disagree on frames he feels they are evil incarnate I and others do not. However the bgcolour scheme is his idea, accepted and implemented, in CSS at Pawel's insistence. <g> You are I hope referring to http://dri.sf.net/site_update/ some of the things you just asked for are already done and have been there for weeks, maybe even months... I'm going to be on #dri-devel tonight and I'm going to do certain things to it, so once you get this message have look every now and then to see your suggestions take form / appear and / or come and chat. cheers Liam ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Dri-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
