I don't think you understand what the code I just posted is doing or
what the issue I described pertains to.

All I'm asking for is sane defaults, and consistency between
deployment platforms.  This isn't important?

I think I'm done here.

Thanks for the professionalism.

-k

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss <ja...@jacobian.org> wrote:
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Kevin Howerton <kevin.hower...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> Where django pulls a 500 it should call these two lines, which will
>> dump the exception raised to stderr.
>>
>>    type, value, traceback = sys.exc_info()
>>    sys.excepthook(type, value, traceback)
>
> No, really it shouldn't.
>
> I made a quick scan of sites I maintain (or help maintain) in
> production now. Among them:
>
> - 3 use the built-in errors over email (and this works fine).
> - 1 logs exceptions to a local syslog daemon.
> - 2 log to a remote syslogd server (one via TCP, the other via UDP).
> - 2 log to stderr (and hence to the apache error log)
> - 1 logs to stdout (<-- that's probably a bug :)
>
> This all works *right now* without any changes to Django. Further,
> your suggested change would break at least a couple of them.
>
> Look, Django's got a *LOT* of ways to customize error handling and logging.
>
> - Use the logging package directly where needed.
> - Write a piece exception middleware.
> - Subclass the handler (either ModPythonHandler or WSGIHandler) and
> override exception handling.
> - Write a WSGI exception middleware.
>
> We're not going to add yet-another-extension-point unless you can
> point to a very good reason for it, and you haven't yet.
>
> Jacob
>
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