Why does one care about the "lightness", seems that the consumability is the factor, as every device we use gets heavier and heavier, we learned
this with the 4MB OS battle we had, things grow.

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Adobe is using SAML.  Anyone at RSA can drop by our booth to see.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pete
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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:52 AM
To: Digital Identity Exchange
Subject: Re: The Lightness of SAMLv2, or not (Re: [dix] draft proposed
charter- consensus?)

Dick Hardt wrote:

> Why is SAML not widely adopted? Why is it not being used at Amazon,  
> Yahoo!, Google or MSN?  It has been around long enough.
> Why was SMTP standardized when X.400 was being worked on?
> Why was LDAP created when X.500 was looming?
>
> My opinion is because X.400 and X.500 were too heavy and did not  
> easily solve the problems people wanted to solve.
>
> SAML solves some people's problems, but clearly is not solving a  
> bunch of other people's problems, or it would have been adopted by now.

This, for me, sums up what DIX should be about.  There has been a
suggestion that DIX is biting off more than it can chew - but it seems
to me it is rather avoiding a whole host of complexity in order to solve
a simple problem simply.  It is trivially easy implement the DMD0
protocol for example, and that is usually a good indicator of likely
adoption (assuming the problem is actually solved in a reasonable manner).

One key thing is that DMD0 is really just grease to make existing wheels
go round, it does not force adoption of major infrastructure, deployment
of new servers, or that users or sites change the way they do things.  
Real world people just want their real world problems solved, and I
would like the focus of DIX to remain on that, rather than attempting to
be yet another total identity solution.

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Pete

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