Hi, Sergey!
I assume many of them (community members) are following the advice that
Aleksi Suhonen has provided-some pause in the communication to rethink.
And I personally would welcome any way of the communication on the
matters that should be priorities for NOGs-should it be ENOG, CENOG or
any other.
Keeping mailing lists or other channels of communication is better, than
to have no channel of it, let's have better options, before closing
existing ones.
Vahan
On 2022-03-16 17:40, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Hi Vahan, all,
VH> So I would suggest to keep the ENOG mailing list, if there will be
an
VH> initiative to open other mailing lists and platforms as well, and
leave
VH> it to the community to communicate at the platforms they would like
to.
Seriously, keep open the mailing list with less than 10 unique message
per
year?
The community, if it's existing, will always find a way to
communicate. If there is no communication - the communication tool is
useless. Or probably there is no such community.
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Kind regards,
Sergey Myasoedov
Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 12:41:49, you wrote:
VH> Hi, Aleks and Aleksi and all!
VH> At the time of changes, it is very important to keep communication
VH> alive, especially when we see so many new threats for the networks
each
VH> day.
VH> We need to keep in mind that NOG is an "informal forum that bring
VH> together network operators, network engineers and other technical
VH> professionals to discuss matters relating to routing, network
security,
VH> peering and interconnection, and other operational Internet
issues". If
VH> we keep this principle, it can be called CENOG, ENOG or any other
way,
VH> if we bring there politics-it will not work in any way.
VH> ENOG was providing an opportunity to discuss the abovementioned
matters
VH> for mainly Russian speaking audience from many countries in
Eurasian
VH> region (what is Eurasia-formally it is even larger, than RIPE NCC
region
VH> is). Well, most of the participants were from Russia, a lot of from
VH> Ukraine, but also people from Czech Republic, Central Asia,
Caucasus,
VH> Eastern and Western Europe were participating, putting their bits
there.
VH> So I would suggest to keep the ENOG mailing list, if there will be
an
VH> initiative to open other mailing lists and platforms as well, and
leave
VH> it to the community to communicate at the platforms they would like
to.
VH> However, my call would be to keep the understanding of NOG well,
when
VH> making the communication, as it is definitely a place for a
discussion
VH> of matters relating to routing, network security, peering and
VH> interconnection, and other operational Internet issues and not
political
VH> ones.
VH> Sincerely,
VH> Vahan
VH> On 2022-03-16 15:22, Alex Semenyaka wrote:
Hi Aleksi!
I am 100% sure that we in Ukraine will have a normal face-to-face NOG
meeting right after the war.
But regional coordination is also a thing, so the idea of CENOG looks
really promising to me. Not as a separate big shiny NOG (at least, at
the beginning), but exactly as a coordination instrument.
On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 8:05 AM Aleksi Suhonen <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hello,
On 10/03/2022 22:14, Alex Semenyaka wrote:
There is UANOG. It never gathered as a face-to-face meeting, but
it is
alive as a mailing list during like last 20 years...
I do believe that it can be augmented with meetings, why not?
While I'm not Ukrainian, I say you definitely should have local NOG
meetings too. Nothing makes local IXPs and ISPs grow more than
meeting
the others in person. Regional NOG meetings have their place and
purpose, but local NOGs are possibly even more important.
But also I do believe that horizontal interaction between
different NOGs
in similar countries could be really profitable, and here CENOG
can help
as an umbrella. Not substitution for the national NOGs, but a
mechanism
providing their interaction between each other.
RIPE has the nog-org mailing list for this purpose:
https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/nog-org
RIPE is also organising an open house for NOG organisers in April:
https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-organising-network-operator-groups-1
I think the best way forward is to take a little bit of a breather,
maybe a year or two, and use that time to create new connections
with
other NOGs and rekindle old ones.
When the dust has settled we should rethink what we want and what we
need. Maybe it's ENOG, maybe it's CENOG, maybe it's something else -
time will tell. But making hasty decisions right now doesn't seem
like a
good idea in the long run.
I am from Finland, why am I here?
Well ... I'm part of the team that runs NOG meetings in Finland, and
some years ago RIPE told me to join this mailing list to advertise
our
events. I was also planning to propose a bid to host an ENOG meeting
in
Finland, but it seems that's not going to happen now.
Anyway, we are planning our next nog.fi [1] meeting on Wednesday
June 15th
in Tampere, Finland. As our plans mature, there will be more and
more
information at our web site:
https://nog.fi/
We live in uncertain times, and there are still so many factors that
can
force us to cancel the event, but I'm trying not to dwell on that.
Best Regards,
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