Hi Lars,
[email protected] wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/comments/1i8d1yw/gnustep_is_supposed_to_be_great_but_i_cant_get_it/
I don’t want to spread negative vibes, but please let that sink in. We
are doing great work, but we don’t communicate it the right way.
sorry, but you should have learned that this kind of emails does spread
negative vibes. And you are also wrong stirring up the pot intentionally
calling this "presentation to the world & communication".
I will auto-mute myself on this thread, but you are a long time
participant in this community, so I value your inputs. But you should
also know how discussions react and evolve. Facts are important, FUD is
less.
You get a discussion out of "linuxsucks" with additional pointers to "I
hate linux". Just to give the objectiveness where you get the comments
from to stir up the pot.
This guy has an issue and just posts a rant on the internet. So what? do
you know how many rants are on the internet? He essentially has an issue
with getting "something" of GNUstep not working on Arch linux. The rest
is then a typical bunch of negative comments you can read for every
topic, be it class interface of iOS 26 to the new Firefox release, it is
IT. It is bashing frustration.
There are bazillion of linux distributions. We can't support them all or
offer tutorials for them all.
Does GNUstep work? for sure. On a curated linux distribution like Debian
installing a GNUstep app like GNUMail or ProjectCenter will just work:
packages are there, maintained and reasonably up-to-date (or in testing
very up-to-date even!).
But let me do some quick fact checking.
1) were there posts on the mailing lists about Arch? not that I know of.
Were there issues reported on github for Arch? not that I remember, but
my memory is fragile. I see nothing at a first glance on the tracker.
2) what issue does the user have? what does "can't get to work" ? Does a
specific app not work? does it fail to install from packages? does core
not build from source? we don't know!
That is not much...
let me do some other homework.
Does Arch linux offer GNUstep packages? how up-to-date are they?
https://archlinux.org/packages/?q=gnustep
Interesting. Only base. No Gui.
Typical apps (GNUMail, GWorkspace, SystemPreferences, Gorm...) aren't
present either.
Then I found this:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gnustep-gui
It tells us two things:
- they use gcc-libs and gcc-objc: a very well proven configuration which
works since years on a broad spectrum of
- the reverse dependencies show us a whole load of packages (44) so
apparently they are prepared to offer a lot of GNUstep! GNUmail, Cenon &
PikoPixel. Gorm! Apparently they miss ProjectCenter and InnerSpace. At
least for the latter, I don't see a blocker, but a pity. Still... a lot.
This also means it must be some kind of "temporary" problem and that
gnustep worked in the past.
apparently they had an issue building libs-gui but also the maintainer
says on 20 May that the problem is solved.
Now I don't know why my first query about packages does not find them.
Not expert enough about Arch.
As a summary, the frustration of the user appears to come from an Arch
packaging issue which is in resolution, but I am unsure. In the past, we
were contacted. "I have contacted the gnustep team and they are working
on a fix to add support for flite..."
We were not reached out to help in the resolution, maybe it is internal
of Arch, given the comment "@simona this isn't a problem with 0.32 since
it's up to date with the removal of GSLock in gnustep-base."
If you want to solve any specific issue, you can contact me in the
language you prefer. If you have a direct contact with an Arch user or
package maintainer, we can help him smooth out things. If you want to
work on Arch support, write a guide, I will follow you.
If you want just to stir up things in a generic way because of some
"linux sucks" ranting, I will not follow you.
Regards,
Riccardo
