On Sunday, 28 October 2018 13:18:02 PDT Alexey Andreyev wrote: > > The text is clear - actions will be taken to stop the discrimination. > > That involves technical means (kick / ban) but also more social means > > It is not clear. Intruder could ask to ban some person pretending it's > discrimination problem.
Sure, but again that's why we have a committee behind who will evaluate the charges and decide what the proper action to be taken is. If the charges are fake, then the accused would of course not be affected in any way. And if the accuser keeps making false accusations, that's the one who could face sanctions. > intruder could ask to accept vulnerable changes. And why would you or an approver accept technically inferior solutions? No one is saying that we should do that. All that is required is to be civil and harassment-free when discussing such a solution. > All the described situations requires resources from the community. > It also could be used to something could be called denial-of-community > situation. Yes, it does require resources from the community. No one said that keeping a community welcoming is free. It requires all of us to look after one another and our shared values. But I think it's a price we're willing to pay. And I'm pretty sure the KDE Community WG can easily compile a list of times that they were maliciously asked to look into situations and how much time it took them to give it the attention it was due. > In general, it could be used to change the image of the community to made > it less popular > and decrease the number of new members. How could it be used to do that? > Anyway, I guess there's still no scientific research and social survey > about the number of the situations that could be called conflicts. > So I don't see what problem should be solved right now. First of all, there are enough situations handled by multiple CoC committees in several communities to prove that it's worth it. There have been situations when they've been called to act and they have. I'd like to know about situations that were resolved peacefully and the person who was found to be doing harassing changed their behaviour. As for a scientific research, it's pretty hard with social situations, like almost anything related to people's behaviour: communities are different from one another and you can't have a control group to see what happens if you don't adopt a CoC. > I could not accept an answer like "let's try and see" since we didn't even > proposed metrics how to check new CoC is helping. Tell us how to measure the benefit compared to not having a CoC. I'll be very satisfied even if we have a total of zero times the CoC acts in the next 5 years and that no new contributor mentions reading the CoC before joining the community. -- Thiago Macieira - thiago.macieira (AT) intel.com Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center _______________________________________________ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
