Under the Code of Conduct, Can Aleix Pol receive discipline for his/her/their message?
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 11:42 AM > From: "Aleix Pol" <aleix...@kde.org> > To: development <development@qt-project.org> > Subject: Re: [Development] QUIP 12: Code of Conduct > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 5:10 PM Jason H <jh...@gmx.com> wrote: > > > > I am whole-heartedly against a Code of Conduct. While well-intentioned, > > anyone following the shit-show that is the Linux kernel code of conduct > > fiasco, I also think would be against the code of conduct as well. > > > > Immediately after imposing the Code of Conduct, past tweets by contributors > > and the accusations started flying and it devolved from there. In addition > > to several authorities on Open Source weighed in that yes, contributors can > > revoke the copyright of their prior contributions, which was threatened by > > those accused. Which would leave any software in a lurch. Now, it looks > > like those contributors might go to BSD... > > > > Having been interested in software from a very young age, and later > > specifically Open Source, one thing that appealed to me was that it was a > > meritocracy. The best code survives, your code contributions are limited > > only by your code being the best. Now we're saying it's not just your code, > > but also your behavior. We had an ideal, we had THE ideal - a place where > > only our ideas mattered. A place where nothing else mattered - not your > > gentatilia, your sexual identity, not your partner preference, not your > > political party - none of it. It was purely about lines of code. It was > > elegant and beautiful, and brutally simple. And now the social justice > > warriors are contaminating that perfection with code+conduct. So it goes > > from "this is the best code that could be written" to "this is the best > > code that could be written from an individual whose political ideals match > > our own". > > > > If we adopt this, does that mean there is a [git commit hook| gerrit > > review] installed that evaluates the contributor's social media to find > > controversial posts? > > If we adopt this, how do we assure we don't wind up in a Sarah Jeong > > situation (She's racist against white people, but the New York Times says > > that's "ok")? > > - How do assure that white people are adequately protected against reverse > > racism? > > -- Do we even agree that reverse racism [is possible to] exist(s) > > If we adopt this, what exactly are the political ideas a Qt contributor > > must espouse? > > - Are stances against illegal immigration "racist"? > > - Is "Sceintific racism" actual racism or just statistics? > > -- In a matter closer to home, where are we on James Damore situation? > > Would he be banned from this community? > > > > NONE of those questions should need to be contemplated by an Open Source > > software project. Open Source is about the Source. Not the source of the > > Source. > > > > In case it needs to be said- > > I am AGAINST racism, sexism, bigotry, and all the other exclusionary > > things. But I am also against people judging other people's code for > > factors that have nothing to do with the code itself. I find that adding a > > value judgement of conduct to code to be intolerant. We had the ideal. > > I am FOR inclusion. I want everyone to feel welcome here. Everyone. > > > > We might identify as a "community" as we are people, but really we're an > > open source project, and at the end of the day what matters the most is > > what is in git. > > > > I oppose any Code of Conduct. And demand the answers be provided to the > > above questions PRIOR to passage (if it happens). > > > > I really want to know where we are with James Damore because I thought his > > paper was well-researched with a scientific basis? > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 3:17 AM > > > From: "Ulf Hermann" <ulf.herm...@qt.io> > > > To: "development@qt-project.org" <development@qt-project.org> > > > Subject: [Development] QUIP 12: Code of Conduct > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > regarding our earlier discussions on a possible Code of Conduct, here as > > > well as at the Contributors' Summit 2017, I've pushed a QUIP with the > > > necessary rules and definitions: > > > > > > https://codereview.qt-project.org/243623 > > > > > > Please review it. > > > > > > regards, > > > Ulf > > Dear Jason, > I fail to see how you can feel entitled to give your opinion when > you've done nothing to earn that right (I can't find any significant > contribution by you), especially when it comes to oppose something > that was agreed together with the rest of the contributors. > > I don't think you have even read the proposal. If you want to play > with the grown-ups, act like one first. > > Aleix > _______________________________________________ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development > _______________________________________________ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
