On November 21, 2016 13:51:10 Oswald Buddenhagen <oswald.buddenha...@qt.io> 
wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 01:37:50PM +0100, Marco Bubke wrote:
>> On November 21, 2016 12:58:59 Oswald Buddenhagen <oswald.buddenha...@qt.io> 
>> wrote:
>> > how about taking the existing processes seriously and exercising social
>> > pressure on those who think they are above them?
>> 
>> Sorry, not everybody likes to use social pressure (mobbing).
>>
> the thing is that there there is no tooling which is absolutely
> foolproof. people will always come up with creative ways to
> circumvent it, and the only way to deal with that is showing them that
> doing so is not acceptable. it's a bit of a stretch to call that
> mobbing, and i gladly laugh it off when it happens.

But you see that a tool who makes it easy to snippet on some argument is maybe 
more suboptimal than other. It's not about using the perfect tool but using one 
which is better. Ones that sets 'loud'  people at a disadvantage. And it's not 
only the tool,  it's the culture too. A culture which is appreciating new 
arguments and not loves to repeat arguments again and again, especially to hide 
some private agenda. If an argumentation is more about individual agendas and 
less about the common good it is doomed.  Especially if people try to sell the 
first as last. The tool should help to make that transparent but it is only one 
building stone. 

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