On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:47 AM Frank Kühndel <
frank.kuehn...@embedded-brains.de> wrote:
> Hello Chris,
> Hello Joel,
>
> On 1/16/23 18:27, Joel Sherrill wrote:
> > Subject:
> > Re: [PATCH 1/1] RSB: Mitigate too short error reports
> > From:
> > Joel Sherrill <j...@rtems.org>
> > Date:
> > 1/16/23, 18:27
> >
> > To:
> > Frank Kühndel <frank.kuehn...@embedded-brains.de>
> > CC:
> > Chris Johns <chr...@rtems.org>, devel@rtems.org
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 8:46 AM Frank Kühndel <
> > frank.kuehn...@embedded-brains.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Chris,
> >>
> >> On 1/16/23 01:02, Chris Johns wrote:
> >>> Subject:
> >>> Re: [PATCH 1/1] RSB: Mitigate too short error reports
> >>> From:
> >>> Chris Johns<chr...@rtems.org>
> >>> Date:
> >>> 1/16/23, 01:02
> >>>
> >>> To:
> >>> Frank Kühndel<frank.kuehn...@embedded-brains.de>,devel@rtems.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 22/12/2022 9:09 pm, Frank Kühndel wrote:
> >>>> On 12/21/22 00:06, Chris Johns wrote:
> >>>>> On 21/12/2022 3:44 am, Frank Kuehndel wrote:
> >>>>>> From: Frank Kühndel<frank.kuehn...@embedded-brains.de>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Close #4642
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> source-builder/sb/ereport.py | 4 ++++
> >>>>>> 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> diff --git a/source-builder/sb/ereport.py
> >> b/source-builder/sb/ereport.py
> >>>>>> index d8fb5f6..d391917 100755
> >>>>>> --- a/source-builder/sb/ereport.py
> >>>>>> +++ b/source-builder/sb/ereport.py
> >>>>>> @@ -55,6 +55,10 @@ def generate(name, opts, header = None, footer =
> >> None):
> >>>>>> with open(name, 'w') as l:
> >>>>>> l.write(os.linesep.join(r))
> >>>>>> log.notice(' See error report: %s' % (name))
> >>>>>> + log.notice(' (Hint: The first error may be in front of
> >> a '
> >>>>>> + 'line containing\n'
> >>>>>> + ' "Error 1" [GNU make] and may be only in the
> whole
> >> log '
> >>>>> Is this too specific to GNU make? What ifs a package uses cmake or
> >> something
> >>>>> else?
> >>>> As the text indicates, this is specific to GNU make. For those using
> >> something
> >>>> else reading this text will still hint that the first error may not be
> >> in the
> >>>> end of the report "and may be only in the whole log".
> >>>>
> >>>> Another weak point in this text is that by far not all errors
> >> originating from
> >>>> "make". Yet, the true trouble is the original "See error report: %s"
> >> where it
> >>>> can sometimes happen that the error is not in this "error report" at
> >> all.
> >>>> I found it difficult to find a wording which is short, clear and
> >> helpful to the
> >>>> reader and at the same time not confusing. I am not perfectly happy
> >> with the
> >>>> notice above. I just found it a reasonable compromise.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you prefer more generic texts - such as the examples below - I will
> >> send a
> >>>> new patch with the suggested test.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Hint: The first error may be far way from the end of the
> >>>> report and in cases can only be found in the whole build log."
> >>>>
> >>>> "Hint: The error is most likely in the error report otherwise
> >>>> see the whole build log [--log option]."
> >>>>
> >>>> If you find any such change might cause more confusion than it might
> be
> >> helpful,
> >>>> I think it better to close this bug than to try to fix it.
> >>>>
> >>> I think all you have written is valid and I have found the wording
> >> difficult.
> >>> There will never be a robust error message scanner or a simple full
> >> proof way to
> >>> find errors. The parallel builds makes tracking the errors difficult
> and
> >> the
> >>> point of error and end of the build a long distance apart.
> > I usually search the logs for "rror:" and that's the first time something
> > is reported
> > whether by make or gcc or whatever. It may not be the root cause but it
> gets
> > me to the first report.
> >
> > Cutting any of these long reports down is always going to be possible to
> > cut out the real issue. It's ok because it it's more than just an odd
> setup
> > issue on the host, someone will have to build locally to reproduce the
> > issue.
> > And then they will get the full output.
> >
> >
> >>> As a result I question the value of the report and wonder if it should
> be
> >>> removed. The report adds overhead to the build as the logging process
> >> needs to
> >>> maintain a buffer of lines that is always updating. Your attention and
> >> interest
> >>> around this feature highlights how problematic it is so maybe it is
> >> simpler and
> >>> better to remove it and we leave users to find the error in the log
> file.
> >>>
> >>> I am happy to accept the report has not worked as a feature, remove it
> >> and in
> >>> the process we recover some overheads in the logging area of the RSB?
> >>>
> >> I am not against the error report and I do not say it is a useless
> >> feature. It is just that I found the message ' See error report: %s'
> >> confusing in those cases where the report does not contain the error
> >> at all because it is too short (the error report consists simply of the
> >> last 400 lines of the build log).
> >>
> >> To answer your question, I believe there is always a build log - no
> >> matter whether the `--log` option is used or not. In this case, removing
> >> the error report and pointing to the build log in case of error (for
> >> example like ' See build log: %s') would certainly solve all my
> concerns.
> >>
> > But on the build@ reports, it is nice to have something. Many times it
> > is possible to diagnose the issue. Just in the past fifteen minutes,
> there
> > was one which having the log made it clear that CentOS 7 and other older
> > distributions need to use a newer GCC. Having the info in the build@
> > message was more than enough to diagnose that.
> >
> >> On the other hand, implementing the error report took time and was
> >> certainly done with good reason. I do not feel like I should be the one
> >> deciding to remove it. Changing the message or simply closing
> >> https://devel.rtems.org/ticket/4642 would also be perfectly valid for
> me.
> >>
> > Changing the message to encourage --log or whatever guidance for
> > debug. I don't even mind it pointing to a URL with guidance on debugging
> > RSB build issues.
>
> When I understand Joel right, he would keep the error report and prefers
> to change the message.
In a perfect world, there would also be improvements on what's reported
but we know there is no perfect solution.
> This brings the discussion back to decide on an
> appropriate text. To make progress, I suggests
>
> ' See error report: %s\n'
> ' Note: In some cases the error appears only in\n'
> ' the complete build log (see --log option)'
>
> If your are OK with this text, I am happy to prepare a patch. I also
> welcome any other suggestion. If we cannot find any solution, I prefer
> to close my ticket #4642 without any action taken.
>
I'm happy with text like that. Is there a ticket to improve the message
or should #4642 have a comment and the message improved?
--joel
>
> Greetings
> fk
>
> >
> > --joel
> >
> >
> >> Greetings ... and a happy new year to you
> >> Frank
> >>
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