Am 29.09.21 um 02:40 schrieb Chris Johns:
On 28/9/21 11:11 pm, Christian MAUDERER wrote:
Hello Joel,
Am 28.09.21 um 14:48 schrieb Joel Sherrill:
On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 1:40 AM Christian MAUDERER
<christian.maude...@embedded-brains.de
<mailto:christian.maude...@embedded-brains.de>> wrote:
Hello Joel,
Am 28.09.21 um 01:12 schrieb Joel Sherrill:
> The Microblaze port is interesting for attribution. I did initial
work
> on it. Hesham added to that and got Hello on a board. Alex is
close to
> submitting the port in a nice state.
>
> This is almost seven years across three developers.. The original
work
> predates source code reorganisation. Alex deleted the autoconf
support
> and created waf. Hesham and I agreed to convert to BSD-2.
>
> When submitted, we decided it was best for Alex to submit a Joel
patch,
> then Hesham, then Alex to finish it off. This keeps git blame
working.
>
> Not quite the same topic but related to credit due.
But maybe an important extension. Should we replace "sponsored" with
"sponsored or supported"? That would allow to mention anyone who helps
in any way, regardless whether it's financial, with information, with
hobby time or with whatever else.
I usually use the word sponsored. Support implies commercial activities the
way I/we tend to use it.
Seems that I picked the wrong word then. Maybe you can help me finding the
correct term:
The one case is clear: Someone pays that someone else develops for example a
driver. I think for that "sponsored" is a good term.
Another similar case could be the following: You get help with writing a driver
for example with information or some other form of help that doesn't result in a
copyright for that person or company. It doesn't involve money or some other
form of payment (T-shirts, pizza, ...) so it's not really sponsoring. Despite
that it might would be nice to mention them if they want to be mentioned. I
think the right location would be the same place like the one we just discuss
for sponsoring. What would be a good term for that?
I think we should take baby steps with this.
OK. I'll concentrate only on the case where some work is really
sponsored with money. I think a lot of work on RTEMS falls in that
category. Most of the times the sponsors don't want to appear with a
name but in my case that caused this discussion they do.
I have some reservation on where
this could go and the long term effects. If too widely spread and embedded in
the source it could be difficult to remove or change if we find an issue in
doing this.
Understood.
In a private chat on the subject Gedare suggested a "Supporters" file? This
could list those who have provided support and wish to be listed. I am avoiding
sponsorship and other words here on purpose for now. I have no idea what works
legally around the world.
To be honest: If sponsored work is a legal problem, we have that with or
without a note in the files. It's only more visible with a note in the
files. I don't think that a legal problem would be avoidable just by not
mentioning it.
You mentioned a "Supporters" file as an alternative. That's OK for me
too. How would that look? Something like
* 2020: BSP for FOO chip supported by "Some corp"
* September 2021: "Some corp" supported development of feature X
* 1995 to 2021: Continuous support of development by company "Some
corp"
Not sure whether "supported" is the right term in all cases.
What kind or order would we use? Just chronological? What about
companies that are actively involved in development over a long time
(especially the ones that appear in the copyright lines)? Should they be
mentioned?
Same rules like for the sources: No contact information and only a name?
I do want a working foundation and yes I know that has stalled for reasons
beyond my control but if that path becomes active I am not sure how that works
in with this approach.
A foundation wouldn't change the problem discussed here. Don't get me
wrong: I would love to see the foundation. But I don't think that the
foundation would be the the same as the RTEMS open source project from a
legal point of view. It would only be another (much needed) sponsor of
work and infrastructure.
So in case of a "Supporters" file, the foundation would have a separate
line like
* 2021 to present: Continuous support of development and
infrastructure by the RTEMS Foundation
I also acknowledge I am not sure what other open source projects do and how they
handle this. If there are other working examples we can review I would welcome
that.
I put some time into finding examples and I found ... not much. I would
have expected for example a big project like the Linux kernel to have a
lot of these lines and to have clear rules. But: It's only 38 lines in
source files that have a "sponsored by". At least one commit has a "This
patchset has been sponsored by ..." in the commit message. But I didn't
find any rules.
It's similar for FreeBSD. I found some "sponsored" in the code. Some in
the commit messages. But I haven't seen any clear rules.
Maybe I used the wrong search terms?
Best regards
Christian
Chris
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