Apologies for thread-breaking, I read in digest mode.... On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 12:45:52 +0100, Sérgio Basto <[email protected]> wrote:
> > As part of the upstream effort to remove X11 support > > In my point of view is huge mistake , I will focus my work on keeping > X11 , and I will fight against the remove X11 anywhere . As an old-timer sysadmin, I get where you're coming from. The issue here is "_upstream_ effort to remove X11". This isn't just something Fedora is doing. GNOME _itself_ is removing X11 support and the folks who manage this in Fedora are trying to get in front of it so everything is working at its best when we *have* to cut over with no X11 fallback, as far as I can see as an observer. Also, knowing that it's coming, I suppose we might as well reduce the support burden of Fedora, which is dependent on a lot of volunteer work. If you're serious about this, you'd need to engage upstream from the distribution, with GNOME and X.Org. To be honest, I *understand* why they're doing this. Even in the late 1990s, the security model and design of X11 was a mess, even with xauth cookies. And the whole point of X11 originally was that it was a platform that could evolve and be replaced. So, as hard as it might be to see change here, it's probably *needed* change. And the X.Org upstream...I don't see a long term future there. I'm not involved in this change, just a regular joe observer. For what I do, I talk about the software as it is. (And yeah, I'm taking my hat off for this, I'm not speaking for my employer.) And I have great respect for why you're saying this. I just respectfully feel like there's better ways to spend energy here. -- Steven Bonneville
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