> Am 09.09.2020 um 11:28 schrieb Guido Aulisi <[email protected]>:
> IMHO we could package only the JDK and let the user use Java software 
> directly from upstream.
> Usually upstream means Apache, which is a trusted source, and Java users are 
> smart enough to manage the Java packages.
> I usuali do so when using maven, hadoop, tomcat, etc.

Sorry, I think you negligently underestimate the importance of Java packages. 
Even for a 'simple' Tomcat you need system management infrastructure, log file 
management, consistency with other programs and libraries, update management 
and much more. Neither a download of an Apache Binary nor maven can help.

Maven is great if you need libraries for development, and perhaps for updating 
individual libraries in a running system. 

We urgently need a solution for the listed problems. So in short Manpower.
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