----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruno Wolff III" <[email protected]>
> To: "Leigh Griffin" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Development discussions related to Fedora" 
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 2:08:21 PM
> Subject: Re: The Git forge decision (was CPE Weekly: 2020-03-28)
> 
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 17:20:04 +0100,
>   Leigh Griffin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 5:06 PM David Kaufmann <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >We are trying to reduce the total ownership of the team to allow us to
> >provide value on initiatives that are requested of us by our stakeholders.
> 
> Pagure has value beyond Fedora and RedHat. In some ways it has more value
> than Fedora the OS, because there are less free options in the git forge
> space. (Gitlab isn't usably free as is. It would need a real fork to
> get out from under the sponsor's conflicts of interest.)

Have you tried to use Pagure as a development based git forge? And not
just as a dist-git hosting location? It needs a lot of help! More than the
current resources provide.

The reasons why are well documented in Pagure's issue tracker.

If that's something you value, feel free to contribute to Pagure upstream.
But Pagure can't compete with Gitlab as a development forge in its current
state.

There are other public git forges that behave better than Pagure:

 - SourceHut 
 - Gitea
 - ...

So I don't think this actually has as much value as you think.


And to be clear: there's a difference between a Fedora-sponsored
Development forge and a new git forge for dist-git. A lot of this
discussion has conflated these two cases. I mostly care about it
releasing the former role (pagure.io) and don't care much about
the latter role (s.fp.o).


My 2c. 

- Alex

> 
> I would have expected the council to consider this an important project
> worth pursuing on its own, not just for running part of Fedora's
> infrastructure.
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