> On Dec 14, 2017, at 4:45 AM, sebb <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 13 December 2017 at 13:42, Sam Ruby <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:39 AM, sebb <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On 12 December 2017 at 13:51, Craig Russell <[email protected]> >>> wrote> I'd like to continue the discussion on the project/icla topic. >>>> >>>> I've been thinking about the entire process of committer invitations and >>>> the project/icla just handles the last bit. I'd like to include the whole >>>> process from discussion to vote to invite. >>>> >>>> Discussion: >>> >>> There are some occasions where the formal discussion is not really >>> necessary. >>> e.g. an informal discussion thread arises out of another thread. >>> It's sometimes really obvious that all that's needed is the vote. >>> >>> So I think there needs to be a way to bypass that. >>> >>> I suspect there will be pushback if (P)PMCs are forced to have >>> discussions by Whimsy (unless they become policy). >> >> None of the Whimsy tools started out as the only way to do things; >> they merely aspired to be the easiest way to correctly do things. > > But if people would like to use the tool, they can only do so if they > follow the process it entails.
Every time I've seen a PMC with a non-standard way to invite committers, it includes someone with a interest in inviting a candidate sending a message to the PMC. I specifically did not include programmed rules on what constitutes consensus or +1 x 3 voting. What I envision is at least one [DISCUSS] Charles Dickens for Netsuke committer" message, followed by at least one [VOTE] Charles Dickens for Netsuke committer" message followed by an invitation and possibly a message to board (PMC candidate) or IPMC (PPMC candidate). So this is not intended to be restrictive but helpful. And if a PMC really doesn't want to have anything documented about how they implement "formal process to invite new" PMC members and committers, IDC. And I'm happy that this is the most serious objection to my proposal. Craig > >> - Sam Ruby >> >>>> Whimsy allows a PMC/PPMC member to kick off a discussion of a potential >>>> committer/pmc member. The form has a drop down for committee and entry >>>> fields for email address and GivenName(s) FamilyName, and text. Clicking >>>> (submit) sends email to [email protected] subject: [DISCUSS] >>>> Committer status for GivenName FamilyName and includes the email address >>>> and text that the pmc member entered and a link to >>>> whimsy.apache.org/project/discuss?token=458974235879543789. >>>> >>>> Pmc members can add comments from a text box that will be stored and shown >>>> to others who click the link. >>>> >>>> Voting: >>>> >>>> Once discussion has died down, the original pmc member can call for a vote >>>> by filling a vote text box and clicking (vote). This will send email to >>>> the pmc private list with a link to the discussion (lists.apache.org/xxx) >>>> and whimsy.apache.org/project/vote?token=458974235879543789. >>>> >>>> The first pmc member who clicks the link will see the vote text box and a >>>> form with: >>>> >>>> (0) +1 >>>> (0) -1 >>>> (0) +0 >>>> (0) -0 >>>> <text box for comments> >>>> >>>> Other pmc members who click the link will see all other votes and comments >>>> and can vote as above. >>>> >>>> Clicking (submit) will send email to the pmc private list with all of the >>>> comments and a link to the same page. >>>> >>>> Anyone on the pmc can close the vote by clicking (close vote). This will >>>> send email with subject [RESULT][VOTE] and an email to board with [NOTICE] >>>> GivenName FamilyName for <pmc> PMC. >>>> >>>> After 72 hours, the pmc member can visit the >>>> whimsy.apache.org/project/vote?token=458974235879543789 link and click >>>> (invite). This will then bring up the project/icla form if the candidate >>>> does not already have an icla on file. If the candidate does already have >>>> an icla but does not have an apache id, it will bring up the account >>>> request form. Finally, if the candidate has an apache id, it will bring up >>>> the "add to project" form. >>> >>>> Craig L Russell >>>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation >>>> [email protected] http://db.apache.org/jdo >>>> Craig L Russell Secretary, Apache Software Foundation [email protected] http://db.apache.org/jdo
