Hi Mark,

thanks for the clarifications, highly appreciated!

As far as the empty <absolute-ordering/> goes: After reading the spec again 
I've been down to that route as well. So far it didn't work out. Maybe I've 
just done something wrong - will revisit and try again. Should the 
<absolute-ordering/> only affect the jars with web-fragments, or does it 
disable scanning of all jars then?



I also discovered another possible impact:

Our scenario is to use 1 tomcat installation as 'quasi EAR' container. We use 
the shared.loader in conf/catalina.properties and set it to our own 
${catalina.home}/applib directory which contains all our shared libraries 
(myfaces, openwebbeans, openjpa, ...).
For what I did understand by reading the servlet-3.0 spec is that only 
fragments and classes in either WEB-INF/classes or WEB-INF/lib/*.jar shall get 
scanned by tomcat, right? But it seems that also all our shared.loader jars 
will get scanned as well. I have not explicitly debugged thru, but from the 
startup times I see no other explanation as our WARs contain almost no jars.

If I set the jarToSkip=*.jar then the boot time is back to normal.


Is there an explanation in the servlet spec, or does tomcat scan a bit too much 
yet?


txs and LieGrue,
strub



----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
> To: Tomcat Developers List <dev@tomcat.apache.org>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 2:36 AM
> Subject: Re: tomcat 7.0.29 startup time
> 
> On 28/07/2012 00:25, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>  On 25/07/2012 17:00, Mark Struberg wrote:
>>>  Hi Lords and Ladies!
>>> 
>>>  I'm currently wrangling with a doubled boot time on tomcat7.0.29 in
>>>  comparison to 7.0.28 (12 webapps in my tc: 7.0.28 < 45s, 7.0.29 >
>>>  90s).
>>> 
>>>  I'm aware that 7.0.29 now does the scanning for
>>>  ServletContainerInitializer even if version=2.5 is specified. But
>>>  there shall no class scanning be performed if
>>>  metadata-complete="true" is set, right?
>> 
>>  Wrong. I don't like this but the intent of the Servlet 3.0 EG was:
>>  - ServletContainerInitializer cannot be disabled
>>  - If a ServletContainerInitializer is found, then class-scanning will
>>  take place
>> 
>>>  Any ideas how we can ease the pain quickly?
>> 
>>  The only option I see is a custom (non-spec compliant) Tomcat specific
>>  feature that disables all of this.
> 
> Ah. See the latest developments on
> http://java.net/jira/browse/SERVLET_SPEC-36
> 
> Using an absolute ordering that specifies no fragments along with
> metadata-complete=true should do the trick.
> 
> Mark
> 
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