On 21/05/2010 17:11, Konstantin Kolinko wrote:
> 2010/5/21 Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>:
>>> Are there any objections?
>> Yes.
>>
>>> The essence is that bootstrap.jar will mention tomcat-juli.jar in its
>>> "Class-Path" value in its MANIFEST.MF.
>>
>> This was a hack we used to keep Eclipse happy. It doesn't serve any
>> other purpose.
>>
> 
> Eclipse was just an example, that things are broking by that change.
> Not everybody uses catalina.bat/sh.
> 
> It is just that I do not like removing features without proper justification.
> 
> Besides that I know of the following:
> a) I am able to start Tomcat 6 by running  java -jar bootstrap.jar

Which will be broken because you aren't using JULI to provide the
LogManager.

> b) JSVC documentation says to use  jsvc -cp bootstrap.jar
> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-6.0-doc/setup.html#Unix%20daemon
> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/setup.html#Unix%20daemon

Looks like that needs fixing then.

> Though, I should say that
> Re: "a)": It is not an important use case.
Agreed.

> Re: "b)": There are scripts that explicitly build a CLASSPATH for jsvc, e.g.
> - in a recent e-mail
> http://marc.info/?l=tomcat-user&m=127411783204054&w=2
> - found by Googling (this one is said to be for 5.0)
> https://wiki.ucar.edu/display/esgcet/Jsvc+Script+Example
> 
> 
>> has caused at least one
>> support issue for one of our customers.
> 
> This sound bad.
> 
> 
> Well, if your concerns are really serious and we go this way, let's
> 1. Remove commons-daemon.jar reference from bootstrap.jar manifest as well.
> 2. Update JSVC instructions in setup.html

+1.

Mark

> 
> AFAIK, the commons-daemon.jar is not needed unless we run with jsvc.
> 
> Best regards,
> Konstantin Kolinko
> 
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