On 23/07/2024 23:38, Christopher Schultz wrote:
On 7/23/24 03:05, Mark Thomas wrote:
<snip/>
Given that we are free to make factual statements such as "Tomcat
11.0.x passes the latest Annotations, EL, Pages, Servlet and WebSocket
TCKs" or "Tomcat 11.0.0-M20 is a compatible implementation of the
Jakarta Servlet 6.0 specification" I'm not at all convinced of the
need to use a logo.
It looks like we might be able to get a pass... sort of.
From [1]:
"
Use of the “Jakarta EE Compatible” mark is limited to use in conjunction
with Compatible Software Products (as defined below) distributed by:
Participant, Enterprise or Strategic Members of the Jakarta EE WG
who are also licensees under the Jakarta EE Compatibility
Trademark License Agreement; or
Guest Members of the Jakarta EE WG, if:
Use of the Jakarta EE Compatible mark is approved unanimously by
the Jakarta EE WG Steering Committee; and Such Guest Members
are also licensees under the Eclipse Foundation Trademark
License.
"
So we would need to be a licensee of their trademark license. We could
ask to become a "Guest Member" of the Jakarta EE WG. I don't know what
that entails.
The ASF is currently:
- an associate Eclipse Foundation member [1]
- a guest member of the Jakarta EE working group [2]
The trademark license agreement [3] requires (section 2.2) that the ASF
is both:
(i) be a Qualified Eclipse Member
(ii) be a Qualified Working Group Member
As per the definitions:
“Qualified Eclipse Member” shall mean a Strategic or Contributing
Member of Eclipse
“Qualified Working Group Member” shall mean a Participant, Enterprise
or Strategic Member of a Working Group.
The ASF doesn't, currently, meet either of those requirements. There are
other requirements around passing the TCK and publishing the results
that I believe we can/do easily meet.
Even if Eclipse was amenable to the ASF meeting the above requirements
at zero cost to the ASF (probably possible) there is the time and effort
require to make that happen.
While overcoming all of the above is possible, it seems like a lot of
work to gain permission to use a logo none of our users seem concerned
about. I'm not even sure any of them care about formal certification.
They certainly never ask about it.
Mark
[1] https://www.eclipse.org/membership/explore-membership/
[2] https://jakarta.ee/membership/members/
[3]
https://jakarta.ee/legal/trademark_guidelines/jakarta-ee-trademark-license.pdf
-chris
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