On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 21:26 -0600, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Mladen Turk wrote:
> > Not even that. We are talking for more then a year for
> > a next generation binary http(s) protocol.
> > 
> > Almost everyone agreed that we need
> > at least few things:
> > 1. Encryption
> > 2. Variable sized messages
> > 3. Client connection close notification.
> 
> Talk about a hijaak :)
> 
> I'm going to argue; 'no', but let me offer my rational...

So you are suggesting to add http/https to mod_jk.
How would you handle the SSL attributes when using http/https?
javax.servlet.request.X509Certificate
javax.servlet.request.cipher_suite
javax.servlet.request.ssl_session
javax.servlet.request.key_size

Adding 4 Headers and a valve when using mod_proxy and Tomcat solves the
problem with Apache httpd. Would you do the same with other web servers?


> 
> 1. These features are available through the HTTP connector which is
>    easier to troubleshoot (sniff) and already standardized.
> 
> 2. The HTTP connector was somewhat neglected; to ensure that it is
>    completely conformant needs more eyes, not fewer.  More effort
>    at AJP 1.x is less effort towards HTTP/1.1 conformance.  (This
>    is not only a developer issue, but speaks to how well exercised
>    the HTTP connector is with many users choosing AJP and not seeing
>    or reporting specific quirks.)
> 
> 3. We would honestly win more bandwidth from fully supporting the
>    content encoding deflate from tomcat to the proxy server than from
>    the few bytes saved with AJP.  And SSL Encryption + deflate provided
>    by TLS today will already give you this win, so binary protocol
>    is really not that significant (OpenSSL 0.9.8 supports it, don't ask
>    me if JSSE does.)
> 
> 4. Waka.  Why reinvent a wheel in motion?  With the new focus at the
>    httpd Amsterdam code to break apart http from apache, we are adding
>    wiggle room for some to come behind and code to Roy's binary http
>    protocol plan.  The difference? 

Already a link to some doc?

Cheers

Jean-Frederic

>  Waka when done will be an accepted
>    spec, while I don't see that ever happening to AJP.
> 
> :)
> 
> That said, those are technical arguments against but I have no vote
> here - I'll leave it to you all to weight these against your itches
> and designs.
> 
> Bill
> 
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