I made the text darker (#333) and pulled the date to the right as on the current site.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:50 AM Igal Sapir <i...@lucee.org> wrote: > Konstantin, > > Thank you for your feedback: > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 3:29 AM Konstantin Kolinko <knst.koli...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> пн, 4 мар. 2019 г. в 09:02, Igal Sapir <i...@lucee.org>: >> > >> > I have uploaded the Tomcat site redesign to a temporary location for >> review: >> > http://people.apache.org/~isapir/mockups/tomcat-site/ >> >> 1. Overall: Thank you for your effort, but I do not like it. At all. >> > > Fair enough, but I wish you had expressed that two months ago when we were > going over the layout: > https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@tomcat.apache.org/msg130453.html > > >> >> 2. Impressions: >> >> 1) The text is not as readable as the existing site. >> It is hard to read it because of color. It blurs with background. >> > > The color can be easily changed. It is common to use a dark gray color > rather than black though as it's easier on the eyes and considered more > readable. There was a discussion about the font size, which prompted me to > add a slider at the bottom that allows you to change the font size. > > >> >> 2) Advertisement steals important part of the page. >> Nobody likes advertisements, you know? Especially when it is thrown in >> one's face. >> >> Who are our clients? Why people come to the site and what do they expect >> to see? >> Newspapers like to throw ads like that and hide the real text, but >> they make money from that and people tolerate them (to a certain >> degree). >> > > The ad for ApacheCon is merely a placeholder to show how we can place > prominent news on the side on larger screens, and collapse it above the > body on smaller screens, i.e. phones. I'm not sure on what screen you saw > that. > > It was added per Mark's feedback. > > It can be moved or removed. > > >> >> 3) I do not like menu at the top. Those were popular some time ago, >> but I think that is a diminishing trend. >> >> (What is a concept behind such design element? It is not a material >> element, not something from real world. How do people operate with >> it?) >> > > This is a mobile-first responsive layout that changes according to your > screen size. If you tell me what size screen you saw it on then I would > understand better what you mean. > > It utilizes the Bootstrap 4 framework and is very trendy. > > Again, I wish you had expressed that 2 months ago. > > >> >> It does not make sense that the menu is flying at top when I scroll. >> This menu occupies precious space on the screen. A page title flying >> like that makes more sense. >> > > It doesn't have to be "sticky". That can be changed easily. > > >> >> 4) The "Apache Tomcat" in menu line is too prominent in font and >> color. It steals attention from the real page title and hurts eyes. >> > > Fonts and colors can be changed. > > I had to work with the constraints of ASF guidelines. There is a longer > discussion about this in the thread mentioned above. > > >> >> 3. Technically: >> 1) Printing =?. >> >> It is not printer-friendly! >> Browser -> Print preview. >> I see that it does not fit a paper page. >> > > That can be fixed > > >> >> 2) Accessibility =?. >> (Tab key navigation with keyboard. Accessing menus. Accessing links). >> >> Keyboard. How does one operate that menu with a keyboard? >> > > Keyboard shortcuts can be added > > >> >> Mouse. Why do I need two clicks to open anything through that menu? >> > > I can make the menu open on hover, but please keep in mind that not every > device has a "hover" capability. For example on mobile devices you don't > have that. > > >> >> 3) Titles and dates. >> >> "2019-02-21 Tomcat 7.0.93 Released" >> >> The dates should not be spelled like that if they are part of a >> sentence. How do you read that sentence aloud (in English)? >> >> (Actually, the dates should not be in the sentence. They are a >> separate auxiliary piece of information). >> > > That is part of the body of the pages and was not modified. It has been > like that on the Tomcat website for a long time now. > > >> >> 4) Search field (in menu bar): >> >> It is too small for any real text. >> > > The search field can expand wider, but on tablets and phones we are > limited in space. > > Thank you, > > Igal > >
