> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 12:45 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [discussion] get rid of NOT_AN_OOO_ISSUE
> 
> Thanks all for your feedback. I am not so sure the Idea 
> carries. However
> I would go in depth because maybe there is something we can 
> think about
> in the long run.
> 
> Markus wrote:
> 
> >
> > I cannot belief that all (or the most) users are really angry /
> > annoyed / disappointed. Can you proof that?
> 
> In a subset of cases we closed we had arguments. We also have improved
> the closing comment as a reaction, which controls the 
> outbreak much better.
> 
> One example where we had a cry out has been here:
> 
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127855

imho:

in this thread you are giving the user a wrong answer. 

The user asks for the instructions on this dialog (and the corresponding dialog 
for sending the report):
https://docplayer.org/docs-images/25/5692897/images/80-0.png

However, you are answering about Bugzilla.
Your answer is wrong because you misunderstood the user. That's the problem in 
the spezific case.

Or in other words:
the problem is not Bugzilla, but the message dialog of OpenOffice and the 
question is:
Does this dialog still work properly at all? I don't know.

> I do also mention this scottish sceptic guy, who ranted exactly on one
> of these cases. While I do not want to look to closely on his method I
> believe he or in his surrounding someone has been affected by such a
> case and he did berserk in an issue and after that on his blog.

Do you mean a special blog post? If yes, do you have the link?

> The support request is there. It costs effort to move people into the
> right channel i.e. Forums. And it is effort to move an issue 
> that needed
> to be first clarified and ended up on Forums to move it to the Channel
> of Bugzilla.
> 
> I think we have to discuss ways to reduce this border.

I'm with you on this.
My experience, however, with regard to such discussions in the German community 
is unfortunately negative.

> I think we need to lower this to improve the recruitment rate. We are
> doing pretty bad on this topic in general. I do think that if 
> more users
> are on Bugzilla, maybe they start looking into other stuff. Maybe the
> Idea is stupid, and not right. But we need to open ways that 
> people can
> naturally extend their work that they are doing. Maybe my 
> impression is
> also not right, and we need to take care different steps to 
> activate people.
> 
> For QA on 4.1.6 we had 7 Release Testers. That is thin. Maybe 
> if people
> handle support request they can be more easily activated to handle new
> bugs, and then activated for release testing.

OK, that's a different perspective. I can't say anything about that at the 
moment.


greetings,
Jörg


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