Hello,

what about an organisation assurance by Cacert.

At FOSDEM 2013 there are some discussions with people from cacert.

If you need more informations and contacts I will act as an agent.

Let me know

Kind regards

Mechtilde


Am 25.05.2013 15:22, schrieb janI:
> On 25 May 2013 12:04, Andrea Pescetti <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>>> The main concern that the ASF has with digitally signing with a
>>> singular apache.org certificate for the whole foundation is keeping
>>> it in strict control. For some this means physical machines. This is
>>> a high bar.
>>> I wonder if the ASF would allow AOO to experiment with an
>>> OpenOffice.org codesigning certificate?
>>>
>>
>> If there is willingness to experiment on this, for sure the OpenOffice
>> project would benefit from it. It is clear what the goal is: it would be
>> beneficial to our users if the Windows and Mac binaries were signed, to
>> avoid potentially confusing security warnings. And it would be very good to
>> have it by version 4.0. And the problem is much more with policy (or, in
>> general, with security/infra concerns) than technology.
>>
> 
> Seen with infra eyes the major problem is to find a working procedure that
> are secure, meaning only few people have access to signing, the discussions
> there have been very little on politics
> 
>>
>>  We never thought we would get the wildcard certificate, but hey who
>>> knows?
>>>
>>
>> I thought it was hard, but not impossible. But honestly, it also raised
>> fewer concerns than a code-signing certificate.
>>
>>  On May 24, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>>> And I should mention that pushing the code signing side is
>>>> probably premature until we have the build side more solidly
>>>> automated.
>>>>
>>>
>> This has been Infra's approach in the current discussion. For those not
>> following that list: see http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/www-**
>> infrastructure-dev/<http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-infrastructure-dev/>(you
>>  will see the "code signing" thread appearing in most of the recent
>> months' archives).
>>
>>  On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM, janI wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry I defended our viewpoint, and made this list aware
>>>>>> that there are other projects with similar needs. You just
>>>>>> managed to kill the messenger, next time this issue is
>>>>>> discussed on IRC, I will refer to this thread and keep silent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>> No, no need for this. Of course you should discuss options that would be
>> beneficial to the OpenOffice project, and it's well-known that you do get
>> things done, a lot of them. In this case, the ongoing frustration that you
>> see reflected in some messages is due to the fact that the long discussion
>> on infra-dev made it clear, so far, that there are infrastructure
>> requirements that must be satisfied as a prerequisite for code signing.
>>
>> So, while code-signing is the ultimate goal, with the current approach we
>> would have to get other infrastructure work done before it (namely, improve
>> buildbots). Unless we have, or find, a way to work around it to properly
>> sign the 4.0 release.
>>
> 
> Thx for the kind words. Actually buildbots is only one way of doing this,
> and not the way you find in many big companies. In many companies (see
> adobe as the example)  the built binaries are delivered to a central
> signing server, where only very few people have access. The project
> guarantees for the quality of the binary being delivered, please remember
> using the buildbot it still no guarantee against malicous code, a committer
> could easily insert that over time. Connecting buildbot and signing would
> mean allowing many people having access to the certificate, which is a risk
> in itself.
> 
> A central signing server has many advantages, but one big disadvantage it
> puts more load in infra, something they are very nervours about.
> 
> rgds
> jan I.
> 
> Regards,
>>   Andrea.
>>
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