i did two cleanups and while discussing with the infrastructure team gavin
deleted the 3rd.
as mentioned before, those 3 were within 4 weeks.

regards,
gerhard

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2011/5/19 Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]>

> I have been watching wiki changes on a regular basis for years,
> although some months (like March/April of this year) I get overwhelmed
> with other projects and don't keep up with them.
>
> I don't think we've had more than a handful each year.   Obviously,
> the problem will get worse over time, but as things stand, the work to
> keep the wiki clean is minimal.
>
> I've scanned through the wiki changes (around 200) in the last two
> years, and I don't even see the spam changes.
>
> A search on "spam" only pulled back three wiki changes since 2006.
> Probably not everyone dealing with spam marked it as such.
>
> Let's start marking spam fixes with "spam" in the comment, and then we
> can get some real metrics about how big of a problem this really is.
>
> Strangely enough, I don't see the spam cleanup notices for the changes
> Gerhard made.
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Gerhard Petracek <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > +1
> > @mike:
> > there were 3 in the last 4 weeks and before that i haven't looked at wiki
> > changes on a regular basis.
> > regards,
> > gerhard
> >
> > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <[email protected]>
> >>
> >> Folks, i might be that we have to remove the public access without login
> >> anyway!
> >>
> >> I actually thought this restriction is already in place.
> >>
> >> Remember the last time where Bart Kummel (still sad to not recognice you
> >> for a shakehand at confess in Vienna btw!) helped us with contributing a
> >> paragraph? He also had to file an iCLA.
> >>
> >> That's for 'significant contributions' of course, but a normal user must
> >> at least acknowledge the ALv2 license rules if he likes to 'contribute'
> >> something.
> >>
> >> In Jira we have this 'can be included' checkmark for patches. That's
> kind
> >> of the analogy I think we also would need in moinmoin. In confluence we
> >> already have an excplicit 'write' access, so this is not so problematic
> >> because that 'ack ALv2' might be handled on the lists upfront.
> >>
> >> wdyt?
> >>
> >> LieGrue,
> >> strub
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 5/19/11, Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]>
> >> > Subject: Re: spam in our wiki / wiki migration
> >> > To: "MyFaces Development" <[email protected]>
> >> > Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 2:27 PM
> >> > The reality is that we don't use the
> >> > wiki for drafts.   We use it to
> >> > allow anyone, including non-officially-recognized
> >> > committers, to create
> >> > MyFaces specific pages.  I know Confluence as a
> >> > documentation system
> >> > is going away.   It's unclear to me if
> >> > Confluence as a wiki is going
> >> > away.
> >> > I have never been involved with Confluence as an
> >> > administrator, but if
> >> > we can easily add anyone to the wiki space, that could be a
> >> > workable
> >> > solution.   If we go that route, we should
> >> > have something immediately
> >> > obvious which describes the process to get access.
> >> >
> >> > My opinion:
> >> >
> >> > Spam isn't a problem so far (going on several years
> >> > here).   Major
> >> > spam attacks get cleaned up by infra and are very rare (I
> >> > can recall
> >> > only three).   Minor ones happen rarely, and
> >> > are easy to clean up
> >> > ourselves.   The benefit of an open wiki far
> >> > outweighs the spam
> >> > cleanup costs.   I suspect that the work to
> >> > maintain users for
> >> > Confluence will be greater than the work we spend cleaning
> >> > up spam.
> >> > And as soon as we introduce a delay (getting authorized),
> >> > then we will
> >> > lose contributions.   I know I've tried to
> >> > edit certain wikis, but for
> >> > the minor change I wanted to make, it wasn't worth coming
> >> > back at some
> >> > later time after I had gone through the process of being
> >> > authorized.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> >> > <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > thx mike for moving the thread.
> >> > > it looks like it's getting more and i don't like to
> >> > observe it.
> >> > > we already said that we move away from [1].
> >> > > instead of keeping the dev-wiki at [1] for drafts,...
> >> > it might be better to
> >> > > create a separate myfaces-dev space at confluence.
> >> > > so we can add new contributors quite fast and if they
> >> > submit spam, we can
> >> > > remove them easily.
> >> > > that's also the suggestion of the infrastructure team
> >> > (at least of some of
> >> > > them who responded to my question).
> >> > > regards,
> >> > > gerhard
> >> > > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.irian.at
> >> > >
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> >> > >
> >> > > 2011/5/19 Mike Kienenberger <[email protected]>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Moving to dev.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Neither Confluence nor the Apache CMS is a good
> >> > replacement for a
> >> > >> wiki.   Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be
> >> > a better option for
> >> > >> this yet (an unrestricted group documentation
> >> > area).   Spam is part of
> >> > >> the price you have to pay to have such an area,
> >> > and we've been pretty
> >> > >> fortunate to not have had that much of an issue
> >> > with it.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> There was a discussion on various documentation
> >> > systems on Cayenne
> >> > >> that you might find helpful:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg06028.html
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Gerhard Petracek
> >> > >> <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >> > yes - we said we move the content for our
> >> > users to confluence but maybe
> >> > >> > it's
> >> > >> > a better idea to wait until apache cms is
> >> > useable (pdf export,...).
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > regards,
> >> > >> > gerhard
> >> > >> > http://www.irian.at
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Your JSF powerhouse -
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> >> > >> > Courses in English and German
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> >> > >> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > 2011/5/19 Mark Struberg <[email protected]>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> I realized that our Wiki front page is
> >> > pretty old (not to say outdated)
> >> > >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/FrontPage
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> LieGrue,
> >> > >> >> strub
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

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