I should clarify - parts were removed and parts were added :) I'm not sure if this is exactly that Tianqi had in mind or not. But the document is open to feedback. These threads are getting a bit confused. So if you are going to discuss the document - please prefer the [DISCUSS] - Revisions to Committer Criteria thread.
Thanks, Carin On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 5:05 PM Carin Meier <[email protected]> wrote: > I think it was removed from the document by Steffen from feedback > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/4ed84034f9cac4cacae865dd5b5699aa1f9d650c0feee37072df41fa@%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E > > The diff is here > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/diffpagesbyversion.action?pageId=95652053&selectedPageVersions=4&selectedPageVersions=3 > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 4:29 PM Jim Jagielski <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Neither can I. >> >> > On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:19 AM, Naveen Swamy <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > this suggestion looks like it is putting the onus on contributors to >> > collaborate with contributors outside their org to get nominated to be >> > committer or a PMC of this project. >> > Every organization has its own business goals, on the way to meet their >> > objectives if their employees happen to be great contributors to this >> > project, I would expect PMC members(wearing their Apache hat) to >> recognize >> > them and give them a greater role in the project. >> > I would assume the responsibility of increasing the diversity is solely >> > upon the PMC members, the PMC should look ways to evangelize the >> project, >> > mentor new contributors, nominate and make them a part of the project's >> > journey. >> > I do agree that we have to increase the diversity and suggest to explore >> > different ways( for example collaborate with other successful Open >> source >> > projects to get their members excited about MXNet). >> > >> > Guideline or not, I cannot agree to this in principle. >> > -1 >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 8:22 PM Tianqi Chen <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >>> >> >>> Many potential committers and >> >>> PMC won’t interact with the non-Amazonians at all (since there are so >> >> few), >> >>> so they’d be relegated to obscurity and hopelessness by default. >> >>> >> >> >> >> If potential contributors do not comes from Amazon, then the Amazonian >> PMC >> >> can nominate them :) If the potential contributors does comes from >> Amazon, >> >> then it is not a bad thing to interact with bigger part of the >> community. I >> >> can expect that as more non-Amazonian contributors get nonimated, this >> >> would make the process more healthy. >> >> >> >> Like neural networks, any guideline can be played in adverserial >> fashion >> >> (e.g. in the case of the gray areas). I think having a goodwill to >> push the >> >> guideline will understandably make people to work together. >> >> >> >> Afterall, this is an Apache project that should goes beyond a single >> >> company >> >> >> >> Tianqi >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 5:06 PM Steffen Rochel < >> [email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hi Tianqi - >> >>>> +1 . I like the idea to grow diversity at the project and encourage >> >>>> communication beyond people sitting next to each other. I also >> support >> >>> the >> >>>> way you described as guideline, not has a hard rule. I think it is >> >>>> important we focus on merit and contributions when evaluating nominee >> >> for >> >>>> committer and PPMC. >> >>>> >> >>>> Carin started a draft document for revised criteria for committer and >> >>> PPMC >> >>>> membership >> >>>> < >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MXNET/Become+an+Apache+MXNet+%28incubating%29+Committer+and+PPMC+Member+Proposal >> >>>>> . >> >>>> I suggest to contribute, provide feedback and suggestion including >> your >> >>>> proposal. >> >>>> >> >>>> Steffen >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 10:22 AM Tianqi Chen <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Dear MXNet Community: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> There has been a great discussion going on in terms of >> >>>>> PMC/Committer Criteria. As a community move forward, it is >> important >> >>> to >> >>>>> make the community inclusive to everyone and encourage folks to work >> >>>>> together. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I want to propose the following proposal courtesy: when a PMC >> >> proposes >> >>> a >> >>>>> committer/PMC member, for courtesy of the community, she/he should >> >> only >> >>>>> propose a person from a different organization(company). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The idea behind that is that the Apache project goes beyond a single >> >>>>> organization, it is important to recognize others, including those >> >>> from a >> >>>>> different organization in the community, and get your merit being >> >>>>> recognized by others. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Admittedly, this would also give more "power" to the PMC members >> from >> >>>>> minority organizations -- which I think is a good thing. This might >> >>> also >> >>>>> encourage everyone to work together and talk to folks who are beyond >> >>> your >> >>>>> next door >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Tianqi >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >>
