On Fri, Sep 22, 2023, at 12:51, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023, at 19:38, Ralph Goers wrote:
>> At this point in time I will abstain from voting. As far as I am 
>> concerned only 1 vote counts - Scott’s. He has steadfastly asked that 
>> the project not be retired and until he positively says he will no 
>> longer maintain it I am not willing to override that.
>
>
> Agreed. I don’t think this discussion is already due for a vote. Even 
> when we consider it dormant, we should consider to fix the problem. 
> Unlike log4j1, chainsaw was never considered EOL.
>
> I would like to hear from Scott but also Robert, who did the last commits.

I was just reading that message again, and would like to add something.

I actually disagree that only one vote counts in this case. The PMC as a whole 
is responsible for maintaining a component, fixing security issues etc. If we 
decide to keep a component, we should be behind this decision.

I think we should reopen this vote and discussion in a few weeks again to see, 
if there actually was any maintenance (no threating here)

Kind regards,
Christian



> Christian 
>
>> I should also note that AFAIK we have never “archived” a dormant 
>> project. We simply change its status on the web site. That said, a 
>> read-only repo does make some sense for a dormant project I guess.
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 10:00 AM, Volkan Yazıcı <vol...@yazi.ci> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As earlier discussions[1] indicate, Chainsaw has been lacking on
>>> maintenance and no PMC member stepped up to perform necessary chores.
>>> This is a vote to retire the Chainsaw by means of
>>> 
>>> - Move it to the list of dormant projects[2]
>>> - Making it clear in its README and website that the project is not
>>> maintained anymore
>>> - Archive its repository[3]
>>> 
>>> Please cast your votes on this mailing list.
>>> 
>>> [ ] +1, retire the project
>>> [ ] -1, don't retire, because...
>>> 
>>> This vote is open for 72 hours and will pass unless getting a net
>>> negative vote count. All votes are welcome and we encourage everyone,
>>> but only the Logging Services PMC votes are officially counted. At
>>> least 3 +1 votes and more positive than negative votes are required.
>>> 
>>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/fsykp5hxr9z0c2h85snnhnj2pq553t6q
>>> [2] https://logging.apache.org/dormant.html
>>> [3] https://github.com/apache/chainsaw

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