*[First and foremost, this is my personal Tweet and there I explicitly
stated that "*I* can offer" the amount for such a work. After completing
such a project, we need to have a consensus within us to merge it. I want
to explicitly avoid any unintended misunderstandings.]*

Gary, it was you who said "If the tooling is a problem, then let's look at
that first." I definitely had thought the same and evaluated Bazel myself
for quite some time a couple of months ago. Both Maven and Gradle have
quite some limitations for monorepos similar to Log4j. I agree that Bazel
is a total stranger to us (hence the maintenance problem), IDE support lags
behind significantly, etc. Yet, it is a tool designed for fast, correct,
and reproducible build of monorepos – a tool that is so-called to be a
perfect fit for us. My personal evaluation of Bazel did not yield a
positive outcome. Before crossing out this option, I wanted to ask around
to some Bazel experts for their feedback and that is what I did. In
summary, the outcome was again negative – which I was intending to discuss
in detail in the upcoming online meeting.

Long story short, rather than complaining, I gave it a spin myself. It
wasn't convincing enough, I got in touch with an expert, researched the
feasibility of such a goal and how much it would cost if I wanted it to be
done by somebody else.

If you have other ideas on how we can address "*the tooling problem"*, I am
all ears.

*P.S.* I am changing the subject of the thread, since I think it makes the
issue personal, which I believe wasn't your intention.

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 9:55 AM Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Volkan Yazıcı (@yazicivo) tweeted at 3:34 PM on Sun, Jun 13, 2021:
> Do you know of a Bazel ninja who can migrate Log4j's Maven builds? I can
> offer €2k (and maybe more) for such a service.
> (https://twitter.com/yazicivo/status/1404160220025217027?s=03)
>
> How do we maintain something like this? Sounds like a terrible idea to me.
>
> Gary
>

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