Hi Toni, Thanks for checking in! No stress at all :)
We’re making progress. The new BPMN Editor was merged a few days ago, which was the big milestone in our effort to remove the gwt editors. We now just have the two smaller cleanup PRs left before we can branch and start the release process. The first cleanup PR[1] is already up and awaiting feedback, so any reviews there would be very welcome[2]! Once that’s merged, Tiago will raise the second cleanup PR[3], and after that I’ll be able to kick off the release. Kind regards, Kennedy [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/2200 [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-tools/pull/3421 [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/2201 On 2026/02/09 11:28:44 Toni Rikkola wrote: > Hi > > Just checking what the current status is? > > Hopefully not causing too much stress :) > > Toni Rikkola > > On 15/12/2025 15.53, Kennedy Bowers wrote: > > Thanks for the context and for sharing the references. > > > > Regarding the release procedure, I agree the existing document seems fairly > > comprehensive. The sync PR you mentioned is helpful, and I’m happy to get > > that merged as soon as possible. I also have a similar PR open for drools > > [1]. When you have a moment, I’d appreciate your review there as well. > > > > Once both of those are merged, my plan is to do a dry run following > > Automation D from the release document, using the main branch. This should > > give us a clear signal on whether the pipelines are running smoothly and > > are ready to proceed once the GWT-related work is completed. > > > > Regarding the GWT removal, the work is planned and split into three PRs to > > keep the changes manageable: > > > > Create the new BPMN Editor–related packages (PR #1) — targeted to be ready > > by EOY > > > > Adapt the codebase to depend only on the new BPMN/DMN/SceSim Editors (PR #2) > > > > Remove the classic BPMN/DMN/SceSim Editor packages (PR #3) > > > > Once PR #1 is in and the dry run is complete, I can share an updated status > > and a clearer view of what remains before we can formally kick off the > > release process. > > > > Thanks again for the offer to help, much appreciated! > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-drools/pull/6507 > > > > On 2025/12/10 14:18:18 Alex Porcelli wrote: > >> Thanks for the update, and welcome back. As you insist on continuing > >> as Release Manager for 10.2, that is fine with me. My primary concern > >> has been the timeline. Given the gap over the past few weeks and the > >> outstanding blockers you mentioned, the schedule is already impacted, > >> so it would be helpful to get an updated view of where things stand. > >> Since some critical items are still pending, this might also be a good > >> moment to share the latest status so we all know what remains before > >> we can start the release process. > >> > >> Regarding the release procedure, the document we have been using has > >> guided past releases, and overall, it is accurate. The complexity in > >> previous releases came mainly from the pipelines. For 10.0.0, it was > >> the first time running them end-to-end, so many issues surfaced during > >> the release itself. For 10.1.0, we went through another complex cycle > >> as important changes in kie-tools required a large number of fixes > >> before the pipelines could stabilize again. Hopefully, this cycle will > >> be less disruptive. > >> > >> For reference, the PR proposing improvements has been open for a while [1] > >> > >> And the release procedure document I mentioned, originally authored by > >> Tiago, is here [2]. > >> > >> I'm, of course, happy to help wherever needed. > >> > >> [1] - https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-tools/pull/3293 > >> [2] - > >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15V-1e62bmmWeOdFUnSJHymPYoeb0TTwp0bhxPuJn4zo/edit?tab=t.0 > >> > >> - > >> Alex > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 8, 2025 at 12:49 PM Kennedy Bowers <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Thanks Alex for volunteering to help with the 10.2 release, and apologies > >>> for my recent absence. I would be very grateful for your help, so we can > >>> get the release out on something close to the planned schedule. It would > >>> be great to have all required 10.2 changes merged into main and the > >>> documentation updated so that anyone in the community can confidently > >>> follow the process for future releases. > >>> > >>> I’d also like to continue serving as release manager for 10.2. I believe > >>> it will benefit the project if we start establishing a pattern of > >>> distributing release knowledge now, rather than allowing it to stay > >>> concentrated. While this might cause a slight delay for the current > >>> release, I believe in the long-run it will be beneficial for the > >>> community and get us a step closer to documenting the release process in > >>> such a way that someone with no experience will be able to manage a > >>> release in future. > >>> > >>> Before we branch for 10.2, we still have a few outstanding tasks: the > >>> remaining 10.1 sync PRs need to be merged, and the GWT-based editors need > >>> to be removed. Once those are wrapped up, we should be in a strong > >>> position to begin the release process. In the meantime, I’ll continue > >>> testing the pipelines to help ensure everything is ready as soon as the > >>> necessary code changes are in place. > >>> > >>> Looking forward to working together on this! > >>> > >>> Kind regards, > >>> Kennedy > >>> > >>> > >>> On 2025/11/19 13:01:21 Alex Porcelli wrote: > >>>> Hi Tiago, > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for the note. Rotation is healthy and important to prevent > >>>> knowledge from concentrating in just a few people. > >>>> > >>>> At the same time, we have to balance rotation with the ability > >>>> actually to deliver a release. We are now more than a month without > >>>> any communicated progress on 10.2, one Release Manager is leaving, and > >>>> we have not heard from Kennedy during this period. I fully understand > >>>> that he is on vacation and will be returning soon, but the combination > >>>> of circumstances puts the project in a difficult position. > >>>> > >>>> Since 10.1, we have accumulated several bug fixes, new functionality, > >>>> and most importantly, a significant number of vulnerabilities. Based > >>>> on experience, even if we reset today, it is unlikely that we would > >>>> see a release before January 2026. And that estimate assumes the > >>>> involvement of people who have already been through the release > >>>> process. > >>>> > >>>> I sincerely appreciate IBM stepping in to help with releases. But > >>>> given the internal shifts that Jason mentioned, this may not be the > >>>> best moment to rely on that transition as the foundation for the 10.2 > >>>> timeline. > >>>> > >>>> This is why Eduardo and I offered to step in. We have handled previous > >>>> releases and can provide continuity so the community does not lose > >>>> more time. And to be clear, we are 100 percent aligned on getting > >>>> Kennedy involved as soon as he is available and if he still wants to > >>>> participate. The offer is to keep the momentum, not to exclude anyone. > >>>> > >>>> The goal here is to ensure the project gets the release out sooner. > >>>> > >>>> - > >>>> Alex > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 10:55 PM Tiago Bento <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> Having gone through the release process a few times myself, I think we > >>>>> should rotate the Release Manager role between releases, not to create > >>>>> concentrated knowledge. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry to be speaking for Kennedy here, but he has been in vacation for a > >>>>> few weeks now and should be back before the end of the month. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 12:08 Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you for sharing this update, and I am really sorry to hear about > >>>>>> your situation. This is a challenging moment, especially so close to > >>>>>> the holidays. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to > >>>>>> support you during this transition. Your work and commitment to the > >>>>>> project have always been greatly appreciated. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regarding the 10.2 release, given the circumstances and the fact that > >>>>>> we have not heard from Kennedy recently, I propose that Eduardo and I > >>>>>> take over as Release Managers. We will be very happy to collaborate > >>>>>> with Kennedy if he is still planning to participate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At this point, it is not realistic to aim for a December timeline, but > >>>>>> before proposing a new one, the priority is to get release management > >>>>>> in place. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you again for the transparency, Jason. Wishing you the very best > >>>>>> of luck in the coming weeks. Please take care and feel free to reach > >>>>>> out if you need any support. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - > >>>>>> Alex > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 11:57 AM Jason Porter <[email protected]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> Hello everyone, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I know you are all busy and eagerly waiting for the 10.2 release. I > >>>>>>> wish > >>>>>> I had better news about this. Two weeks ago, I was notified that I am > >>>>>> being > >>>>>> RIF'd (Reduction In Force) from IBM in early December. Due to this > >>>>>> unforeseen issue, my work on the release has taken a back burner to me > >>>>>> looking for another job. I've been trying to up skill, rework my > >>>>>> resume, as > >>>>>> well as interviewing and applying to positions. > >>>>>>> This will mean that the release will end up slipping from the initial > >>>>>> timeline. At this point, I'm not sure when the release will come out. > >>>>>> For > >>>>>> those interested in helping, I've been testing the build in my own > >>>>>> workspace in Jenkins. You can do the same at > >>>>>> https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/KIE/job/__dev/. You should be able to > >>>>>> log in to the Jenkins cluster (using your Apache credentials) and > >>>>>> create > >>>>>> your own folder at that link. It may be easiest to copy the 0-seed-job > >>>>>> either from my folder or from the main builds. You'll want to modify > >>>>>> where > >>>>>> it points, which branches to use, etc. More can be read about how > >>>>>> these are > >>>>>> all put together at > >>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-kogito-pipelines/blob/main/docs/jenkins.md > >>>>>> (and associated md files). 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