That is the one I am blocked on. Will need to do another full tests before starting the vote.
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:22 PM Josh Fischer <[email protected]> wrote: > I just opened a PR that fixes javadoc generation for the website build. Do > we have anything else outstanding before we can start a vote on the next > release candidate? > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ning Wang <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yeah. We have chosen Debian 10 for the binary release and clean up the > > license requirements for the first binary release. > > > > In the source level, we would also like to include a few > platforms/versions > > in the main source code to be "supported" and the others will be moved to > > like a "extra" folder and not actively supported/tested. > > > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 9:22 AM Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I thought that the purpose of this discussion was to find the one or > two > > > platforms for Heron to support in order to keep down the complexity of > > > making the first binary release for the community. > > > > > > Other platforms could be on a roadmap for future releases. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dave > > > > > > > On May 26, 2020, at 12:26 PM, Ning Wang <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > My concern about "latest" is that I feel most people hold it for some > > > time > > > > before migrating to the latest version (if it ever happens). If there > > are > > > > numbers, it could make sense to use the most popular version (plus > the > > > > other criterias). > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:14 PM Oliver Bristow < > > > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Sorry if I missed the rationale for Ubuntu 18.04 instead of 20.04, > but > > > >> would the latest LTS be a better choice? 18.04 was released before > > > Debian > > > >> 10, so that may be an argument for 20.04 re. compatibility if Debian > > 10 > > > is > > > >> the standard. > > > >> > > > >> There's already a 20.04 Dockerfile + I It looks like the vagrant > setup > > > will > > > >> get an upgrade from 14.04 to 20.04 as a part of the python3 upgrade, > > and > > > >> seems to run fine so far. > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 19:30, Josh Fischer <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Thanks for further clarifying. Yes, that is correct. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 1:16 PM Ning Wang <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> +1. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> So my understanding is: > > > >>>> binary (in future release): Debian 10. > > > >>>> source: Debian 9/10 + ubuntu 18.04 + centos 7. version numbers > will > > be > > > >>>> updated in the future after more discussions/votes. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> others will be moved to a "extra" folder only for reference. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 6:13 AM Josh Fischer <[email protected] > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Hi All, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Based on what I've read on this thread a combination of > > CentOS/Debian > > > >>>> would > > > >>>>> be the better options for us to support multiple versions for the > > > >>>>> community. We will also support one version of Ubuntu. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> So..... I will start a vote in 72 hours that calls on the vote on > > > >> this. > > > >>>>> I'm going to write down my understanding of what this thread > covers > > > >> to > > > >>>> get > > > >>>>> some actionable topics to vote on. If I've written anything down > > > >>>>> incorrectly please speak up before we start a vote. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Debian: > > > >>>>> - Debian10 is the official docker image to support and be > > > >> published > > > >>>> to > > > >>>>> Docker Hub, we will also support Debian9. > > > >>>>> CentOS: > > > >>>>> - We will support CentOS7. Note, I do not think it has native > > > >>>>> Python3.7 support, but we are also not there yet. > > > >>>>> Ubuntu: > > > >>>>> - We will still support one version. At this time the version > is > > > >>>> 18.04. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> We will upgrade supported versions of each OS as > > updates/deprecation > > > >> of > > > >>>>> support are needed. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Again let's wait 72 hours before starting a vote. Also please > > check > > > >>> that > > > >>>>> the statements I wrote down are what you understood! > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> See below for notes on lazy consensus: > > > >>>>> https://community.apache.org/committers/lazyConsensus.html > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> - Josh > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:41 PM Ning Wang <[email protected]> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> +1 > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:26 PM Nicholas Nezis < > > > >>>> [email protected] > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I like those options. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:15 PM Josh Fischer < > > > >> [email protected] > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Let's wait 3 more days for anyone to give input. Then we can > > > >>>> start a > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > >>>>>>>> to make a final decision on which containers for us to > support. > > > >>>> Keep > > > >>>>>> in > > > >>>>>>>> mind that even though we do need to plan for Python3 support > > > >>> (There > > > >>>>> is > > > >>>>>>> work > > > >>>>>>>> in progress now) we do not need it as of yet. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> - Josh > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:34 PM thinker0 <[email protected]> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> My experience is mainly for CentOS 7, so I think it would be > > > >>> nice > > > >>>>> if > > > >>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>> was > > > >>>>>>>>> included. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> 2020년 5월 21일 (목) 오전 9:56, Josh Fischer <[email protected] > > > >>> 님이 > > > >>>> 작성: > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Well thought out Windham. I like how you narrowed the > > > >>> criteria > > > >>>>>> down > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>> Debian10/CentOS7(depending on PY3 support) thinking about > > > >>>> overall > > > >>>>>>>> support > > > >>>>>>>>>> and what others would need/want. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Josh > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 8:39 PM Windham Wong < > > > >>>>>>> [email protected] > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> My experience is that, people tends to pick their > > > >> container > > > >>>>> image > > > >>>>>>> OS > > > >>>>>>>>>> based > > > >>>>>>>>>>> on few criterias only: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1) image size, alpine always win, then debian/centos and > > > >>> 3rd > > > >>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu/centos. alpine is always the smallest but not much > > > >>>>> library > > > >>>>>>>>>> provided > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and require to compile manually. debian is always good > > > >>>> because > > > >>>>> it > > > >>>>>>> has > > > >>>>>>>>>>> apt-get to provide loads of library. centos is cool as > > > >>> debian > > > >>>>>>> because > > > >>>>>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>>>>> also has good yum repo. ubuntu is always the last because > > > >>> it > > > >>>> is > > > >>>>>>> fat, > > > >>>>>>>>> but > > > >>>>>>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>>>>> provides very large range of libraries to use. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2) kernel feature, as mentioned last email, ubuntu has > > > >>> issue > > > >>>>> with > > > >>>>>>> DNS > > > >>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>> some sort of network discover issues. I remember alpine > > > >> has > > > >>>>> some > > > >>>>>> as > > > >>>>>>>>> well, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> because it is very plain, requires many fine tunes be > > > >> done > > > >>>>>>> manually. > > > >>>>>>>> in > > > >>>>>>>>>>> this case, centos and debian should win. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3) linux stream, obviously, alpine, debian/ubuntu, > > > >> centos, > > > >>>> are > > > >>>>> 3 > > > >>>>>>>>>> different > > > >>>>>>>>>>> streams that use different native tools. Poeple just pick > > > >>>> their > > > >>>>>>> base > > > >>>>>>>>>> image > > > >>>>>>>>>>> based on what they often use in their life. However, I > > > >> see > > > >>> a > > > >>>>> lot > > > >>>>>>>> debian > > > >>>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>> alpine on docker hub because they are just smaller in > > > >> size. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 4. library support. Python library is a very good example > > > >>> in > > > >>>>> this > > > >>>>>>>> case. > > > >>>>>>>>>> As > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Heron is turning to Python 3, which specifically Python > > > >>> 3.7+, > > > >>>>>> some > > > >>>>>>>>>>> discontinued based OS version does not provide the > > > >> support > > > >>>>>> anymore. > > > >>>>>>>> We > > > >>>>>>>>>> have > > > >>>>>>>>>>> tested out that, debian9 supports only up to Python3.5, > > > >>>> ubuntu > > > >>>>>>> 14.04 > > > >>>>>>>>> does > > > >>>>>>>>>>> not support python3 and ubuntu 16.04 supports up to > > > >> Python > > > >>>> 3.5 > > > >>>>>>> only. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I am not a big fan of using centos for docker. Concluding > > > >>>> all 4 > > > >>>>>>>> points > > > >>>>>>>>>>> above, I believe keeping centos7 (if it supports > > > >> python37), > > > >>>>>>> debian10 > > > >>>>>>>>> (not > > > >>>>>>>>>>> debian9), ubuntu 18.04 (supports python3.7+) would be the > > > >>>> best > > > >>>>>>>> solution > > > >>>>>>>>>> at > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the moment. We have to cut off the old images due to our > > > >>>>> library > > > >>>>>>>>> upgrade > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and this is unavoidable. Otherwise, we would have tons of > > > >>>>> issues > > > >>>>>>>>> sending > > > >>>>>>>>>> in > > > >>>>>>>>>>> about library support in the future and the workload > > > >> could > > > >>>> be a > > > >>>>>> lot > > > >>>>>>>>> more > > > >>>>>>>>>>> for just answering questions. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Windham Wong > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Co-Founder, Technical Director of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Stormeye.io, Hong Kong Managed Security Operation Center > > > >>>>> Limited > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Email // [email protected] (mailto: > > > >>>>>> [email protected] > > > >>>>>>> ) > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Phone // +852_3590_2212_|_+852_9832_0707 > > > >> (tel:+85235902212) > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Fax // +852_3590_2202 (tel:+852_3590_2202) > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 5月 19 2020, at 6:09 早上, Josh Fischer < > > > >>> [email protected] > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All, I think using CentOS and either Debian or > > > >> Ubuntu > > > >>>> is a > > > >>>>>>> good > > > >>>>>>>>>> idea. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I would pick Debian over Ubuntu for the reason that Nick > > > >>>>> pointed > > > >>>>>>> out > > > >>>>>>>>> in a > > > >>>>>>>>>>> previous email of DNS issues in Kubernetes. I"ve copy and > > > >>>>> pasted > > > >>>>>> a > > > >>>>>>>>>> section > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of Nick's previous email. ### Start I've run into issues > > > >>> with > > > >>>>>>> Ubuntu > > > >>>>>>>>>> images > > > >>>>>>>>>>> having DNS issues in Kubernetes. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/kubernetes/kubeadm/issues/787 ### End > > > >>> As > > > >>>>> for > > > >>>>>>> what > > > >>>>>>>>>> ends > > > >>>>>>>>>>> up being the official Docker container I'm fine with > > > >> either > > > >>>>>> choice > > > >>>>>>>>> Debian > > > >>>>>>>>>>> or CentOS. On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 2:10 AM Ning Wang > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> Yeah. > > > >>>>>>>> For > > > >>>>>>>>>>> binary release, the license is a huge factor. > > On Sun, > > > >>> May > > > >>>>> 17, > > > >>>>>>>> 2020 > > > >>>>>>>>> at > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2:32 PM Josh Fischer wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > When it > > > >>>> comes > > > >>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>> choosing > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the official Apache Docker image for Heron we > > have to > > > >>>> think > > > >>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> licensing issues first. Everything that is > installed > > > > >>> > > > >>>> into > > > >>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> container at build time with the exception of the "FROM" > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>> statement > > > >>>>>>>>> in > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the Dockerfile must be ALv2 compatible. OpenJDK is under > > > >>> > > > >>>>> GPLv2 > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> which > > > >>>>>>>>>>> is not compatible with Apache. However we can get around > > > >>> this > > > >>>>> if > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> we > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> bring the OpenJDK into the container via a FROM > > > >> statement. > > > >>>> I've > > > >>>>>>>> copied > > > >>>>>>>>> a > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> reply from Dave in our dev list in a previous email. > > > >> See > > > >>>>> below. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ######## Start ######## > > Regarding OpenJDK and GPL2 - > > > >>> here > > > >>>>> is > > > >>>>>>> what > > > >>>>>>>>>> Roman > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the VP, Legal wrote when > > answering Beam’s questions. > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Roman > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Shaposhnik commented on LEGAL-503: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------- > > > > Hey > > > >>> [~altay] > > > >>>>> if > > > >>>>>>> you > > > >>>>>>>>>> would > > > >>>>>>>>>>> like to continue linking to the Docker release > > > > > >> artifact > > > >>>>> from > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> https://beam.apache.org > > you will have: > > 1. > > > >>> Transition > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> official ASF dockerhub org: > > > > > >>>>> https://hub.docker.com/u/apache > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> 2. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Start including that binary convenience artifact into > > > >> your > > > >>>> VOTE > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> threads > > > >>>>>>>>>>> on Beam releases > > 3. Make sure that all Cat-X licenses > > > >>> are > > > >>>>>> ONLY > > > >>>>>>>>>> brought > > > >>>>>>>>>>> into your > > container via FROM statements > > ######## > > > >>> End > > > >>>>>>>> ######## > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> So at the end of the day, we need to use a container > > > >> that > > > >>>> has > > > >>>>>>> Java > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> already > > installed in it so that when we create our > > > >>>> official > > > >>>>>>> image > > > >>>>>>>>> we > > > >>>>>>>>>>> can inherit > > that java containing image via a FROM > > > >>>>> statement. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> - > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Josh > > > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 4:12 PM H W > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> We > > > >>>>>>>>>>> use Centos 7 as well. > > > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2020 at > > > >>>> 10:41 > > > >>>>>> AM > > > >>>>>>>>>> Nicholas > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Nezis < > > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Some > > > >>>>>>>>>>> thoughts I'd like to add to the discussion: > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> Debian > > > >>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu are somewhat similar. Would it make sense to pick > > > >>> > > > >>>> one > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> those and pair with Centos? > > > > > > > > I've run > > > >>> into > > > >>>>>>> issues > > > >>>>>>>>> with > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu images having DNS issues in > > Kubernetes. > > > > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/kubernetes/kubeadm/issues/787 > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Ubuntu > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 14.04 should be removed. It was end of life last year. > > > >> For > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> those > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you using Heron in production, is anyone using > > > >>> Ubuntu > > > >>>>> 16? > > > >>>>>>> My > > > >>>>>>>>>> vote > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> would > > > be > > > > to remove it also. For what it's > > > >>>> worth, > > > >>>>> my > > > >>>>>>> use > > > >>>>>>>>>> case > > > >>>>>>>>>>> is in K8s and we > > use > > > > the Centos7 image on a > > > >>>> Centos > > > >>>>> 7 > > > >>>>>>> OS. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We should do a test of the official image and > > > >>> helm > > > >>>>>> chart > > > >>>>>>>> in > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Kubernetes > > > > (maybe with Kind > > > >>>> https://kind.sigs.k8s.io/ > > > >>>>> ) > > > >>>>>> as > > > >>>>>>>>> part > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of our release > > > > process. This might be nice to add > > > >>> as > > > >>>> an > > > >>>>>>>>>> integration > > > >>>>>>>>>>> test. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> On > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sun, May 17, 2020, 12:37 PM Ning Wang > wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> That > > > >>>>>>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>>> a > > > >>>>>>>>>>> good point. We need to adjust the OS version accordingly > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> too. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 2:28 AM Windham Wong < > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debian 10 has no python 2.7 support. Ubuntu > > > >> 16.04 > > > >>>> has > > > >>>>>> no > > > >>>>>>>>>> python > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 3.7+ > > > > dev > > > > > > library support. hope this > > > >>>> helps > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > > > > Sent from myMail for Android Sunday, 17 > > > >> May > > > >>>>> 2020, > > > >>>>>>>>> 11:34AM > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +08:00 > > from > > > > > Ning > > > > > > Wang > > > >>>>>>> [email protected] > > > >>>>>>>>> : > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We > > > >>> have > > > >>>>>>> talked > > > >>>>>>>>>> about > > > >>>>>>>>>>> it a few times in different places. Let's > > make > > > > > > >> a > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> decision here. We don't have enough resources to support > > > >>>> many > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> docker > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OSes > > > > > > >(technically we only support > > > >>>> Debian, > > > >>>>>>>> Ubuntu, > > > >>>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>> CentOS but each > > of > > > > them > > > > > > >has > > > >>> multiple > > > >>>>>>>>> versions). > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things we have agreed on (my > > > >>>>>>> understanding) > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - for binary release, we are going to choose one > > > >> OS > > > >>>> one > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> version. I > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember that Debian 9 was the decision. An > > > >>> open > > > >>>>>>>> question > > > >>>>>>>>>> is: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> do > > we > > > > want > > > > > > to > > > > > > >switch > > > >>> to > > > >>>>>> Debian > > > >>>>>>>> 10 > > > >>>>>>>>>> now? > > > >>>>>>>>>>> We haven't had a binary release yet, so > > > there > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> is > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> still time. As the main target, I think 1. the image > > > >>>> should > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> compile > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successfully. and 2 the image should be > > > >>> tested: > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>> tools > > > >>>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>> an > > > > example > > > > > > >topology. > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> - > > > >>>>>>>>>> for > > > >>>>>>>>>>> source release, we haven't talked about it very much. > > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Personally > > > >>>>>>>>>> I > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel it is a reasonable expectation that, if > > > >>> we > > > >>>>> have > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Docker > > file > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >>>> core > > > >>>>>>> folders, > > > >>>>>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>>>>> should at least compile. Otherwise, it's a > failed > > > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> build > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> hence a failed release. We are not going to test run > > > >> the > > > >>>>>> tools > > > > >>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples > > > > > > >for each release though. > > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, a question about OS versions. I believe > > > >> at > > > >>>>> least > > > >>>>>>> two > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> releases > > > > > > >should be supported because most > > > >>> people > > > >>>>>> don't > > > >>>>>>>>>> upgrade > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to the > > latest > > > > > > version > > > > > > >when > > > >> it > > > >>> is > > > >>>>> out > > > >>>>>>> in > > > >>>>>>>>> more > > > >>>>>>>>>>> serious scenarios, hence IMO the second > > > oldest > > > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> could > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often be more useful than the latest one from a > > > >>>>>>> convenience > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> point > > of > > > > > view. > > > > > > >On the other > > > >>> hand, > > > >>>>> this > > > >>>>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>> too > > > >>>>>>>>>>> flexible, and we will spend time > > > > thinking > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> about > > > >>>>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>>>>> again. I think a clear guideline could be helpful to > > > > >> us. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> For > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example: > > > > > > >- We only include only > > > >> Debian > > > >>>>>> (popular > > > >>>>>>>> in > > > >>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> server world) and > > > Ubuntu > > > > > > >(popular in > > > >>>> servers > > > >>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>> workstations). > > > > > > >- for the main OS (Debian) we > > > >>>>> choose > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>> latest > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to compile and > > test > > > > for > > > > > > our > > > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> binary > > > >>>>>>>>>>> release. > > > > > > >- for a given OS, only two versions > > > >>>> (most > > > >>>>>>>> likely > > > >>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> most and > the > > > > second > > > > > > >recent > > > >> releases) > > > >>>> are > > > >>>>>>>>> included > > > >>>>>>>>>> in > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the core source code and they > > need > > > to > > > > > > > > >>> be > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> fixed ASAP if they don't compile. > > > > > > >- OSs and > > > >>>> other > > > >>>>>>>>> versions > > > >>>>>>>>>>> could be included in a special folder > and > > > but > > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> there > > > >>>>>>>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>>>> no guarantee that the code will compile. Fixes from the > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> community > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> How > > > >>>>>>>>> do > > > >>>>>>>>>>> you guys think? > > > > > > >--ning > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
