This was the part I was referring to, from the existing PR template:

> Update the PR template to change the text "Is your initial contribution
> a single, squashed commit” to “Is your initial contribution squashed for
> ease of review (e.g. a single commit, or a ‘refactoring’ commit plus a
> ‘fix’ commit)"

Either of these, while I guess not strictly required(?), is a change from
what SOP has been for native client.  We rebase onto the current develop
when submitting a PR, but don't pre-squash commits in any meaningful way,
because it's unnecessary.

The rest is fine - changing the default option to Squash & Merge is the
right thing to do IMO.

Thanks,

Blake


On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:00 PM Nabarun Nag <n...@pivotal.io> wrote:

> Just to reiterate. Nothing changes in the workflow of a developer. It's
> just in the end, when all the reviews are done and all the tests are
> passing, then the button to click in the Github web UI is "Squash and
> Merge". That's all.
>
> Regards
> Naba
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:55 AM Blake Bender <bben...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
> > Very well, then, I'll abide by the group consensus but am on the record
> as:
> > * strongly opposed to multi-commit PRs, because I believe it clutters
> > history, and
> > * also not a big fan of forcing devs to rebase and squash prior to
> > submitting a PR.  IMO this is busy work, and *may* in some small minority
> > of cases hide information that would be useful to reviewers.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Blake
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 11:50 AM Anthony Baker <aba...@pivotal.io>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Whether we are talking about the geode/ repository or the geode-native/
> > > repository we are all one GEODE community.
> > >
> > > The idea of a native client team may matter in some contexts but in
> this
> > > space we are all GEODE contributors.
> > >
> > > Adopting a common approach across our repos will make it easier for new
> > > contributors to engage, learn our norms, and join our efforts.
> > >
> > > $0.02,
> > > Anthony
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Dec 20, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Blake Bender <bben...@pivotal.io>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is this a policy the native client team must abide by, as well?  It
> > > varies
> > > > slightly with what we've been doing, and all other things being
> equal I
> > > see
> > > > no reason for us to change that.  If I am to have any measure of
> > control
> > > > over the nc repository, I will definitely enforce a 1:1
> correspondence
> > > > between commits to develop and JIRA tickets.  IMO, if your
> refactoring
> > > in a
> > > > PR is sufficiently large or complex that it's difficult to tease it
> out
> > > > from the bug you're fixing or feature you're implementing, it merits
> > its
> > > > own JIRA ticket and a separate PR.  If your "actual" fix then becomes
> > > > dependent on the refactored code, that's a price I'm willing to pay
> to
> > > keep
> > > > history clean.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, I see no real value in squashing to a single
> commit
> > > > prior to submitting a PR, since your view of the changes on GitHub is
> > > > essentially the same either way.  We haven't enforced this on the nc
> > > repo,
> > > > and I'd prefer to keep it that way.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Blake
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 10:29 AM Jinmei Liao <jil...@pivotal.io>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Merge commit is the new contributor's default setting. When we are
> > > merging
> > > >> new contributor's PR, since we are so used to THINKING
> > > "squash-and-merge"
> > > >> is the default, we forgot to check what the button really says when
> we
> > > are
> > > >> merging other people's PR.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 10:18 AM Ernest Burghardt <
> > > eburgha...@pivotal.io>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I'm a proponent of using squash-and-merge, and once a person has
> > chosen
> > > >>> this option once it comes up by default afterwards...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Owen,  I don't think you have consensus to put forth this PR, there
> > are
> > > >> -1s
> > > >>> above... (early voting)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> maybe we'll be better off socializing the norm of squash-and-merge
> > and
> > > >>> gaining a natural consensus that way...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 10:07 AM Owen Nichols <onich...@pivotal.io
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> The proposed action manifests as a commit to the Geode git
> > repository,
> > > >> so
> > > >>>> a PR is an acceptable vehicle for voting in this case.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Bruce Schuchardt <
> > > >> bschucha...@pivotal.io>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I see a lot of plus-ones and a "voting deadline" on this DISCUSS
> > > >> thread
> > > >>>> and a request to "vote" using a PR.  This all seems out of order
> to
> > > me.
> > > >>>> Our votes are supposed to be on the email list, aren't they? and I
> > > >>> haven't
> > > >>>> seen a VOTE request.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On 12/20/19 9:33 AM, Nabarun Nag wrote:
> > > >>>>>> +1
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:25 AM Owen Nichols <
> onich...@pivotal.io
> > >
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Based on the feedback so far, I will amend the proposal to drop
> > > >> item
> > > >>>> 2).
> > > >>>>>>> Therefore, the current ability to create merge commits using
> > > >>>> command-line
> > > >>>>>>> git will remain available.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> The proposal as amended is now:
> > > >>>>>>>> Change GitHub settings to make "Squash and merge" the default
> > > >>>>>>>> (by removing “Create a merge commit” option).
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Update the PR template to change the text "Is your initial
> > > >>>> contribution
> > > >>>>>>>> a single, squashed commit” to “Is your initial contribution
> > > >> squashed
> > > >>>> for
> > > >>>>>>>> ease of review (e.g. a single commit, or a ‘refactoring’
> commit
> > > >>> plus a
> > > >>>>>>>> ‘fix’ commit)"
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> As Naba suggested, we can try it, and if we don’t like it, it’s
> > > >>> simple
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>>>>> revert.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I’ve create a PR for the proposed change here:
> > > >>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/geode/pull/4513
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Please use the PR to vote for against this proposal.  It will
> not
> > > >> be
> > > >>>>>>> merged before the VOTING DEADLINE of DEC 31 (if no -1’s at that
> > > >> time)
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 8:31 AM, Ju@N <jujora...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> +1
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Fri 20 Dec 2019 at 16:18, Owen Nichols <
> onich...@pivotal.io>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Bruce, this proposal will not waste a single second of
> your
> > > >>>> time.  It
> > > >>>>>>>>> just prevents people from accidentally pressing a button that
> > we
> > > >>> have
> > > >>>>>>>>> already agreed should never be pressed, but because we never
> > > >>>> configured
> > > >>>>>>> our
> > > >>>>>>>>> GitHub to match our stated policy, is currently the default.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> However, it will save a lot of time and frustration for
> anyone
> > > >>>> needing
> > > >>>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>> bisect failures, revert, or cherry-pick changes, which has
> > merit
> > > >>>> even if
> > > >>>>>>>>> you personally never do any of those three things.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Please start a separate thread if you would like to revisit
> the
> > > >>>>>>> community
> > > >>>>>>>>> decision to require passing PR checks.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Bruce Schuchardt <
> > > >>>> bschucha...@pivotal.io>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I agree with Jake.  I would go further by saying that I see
> > very
> > > >>>> little
> > > >>>>>>>>> merit in this proposal.  I think we're getting more and more
> > > >>>>>>> bureaucratic
> > > >>>>>>>>> in our process and that it stifles productivity.  I was
> > recently
> > > >>>> forced
> > > >>>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>> spend three days fixing tests in which I had changed an
> import
> > > >>>> statement
> > > >>>>>>>>> before they would pass stress testing.  I'm glad the tests
> now
> > > >> pass
> > > >>>>>>>>> reliably but I was very frustrated by the process.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/19 4:49 PM, Jacob Barrett wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I’m in agreement with Dan. Changes to the infrastructure to
> > > >> flat
> > > >>>> out
> > > >>>>>>>>> prevent things that should be self policing is annoying. This
> > PR
> > > >>>> review
> > > >>>>>>>>> lock we have had already cost us valuable time waiting for PR
> > > >>>> pipelines
> > > >>>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>> pass that have no relevance to the commit, like CI work: I’d
> > hat
> > > >> to
> > > >>>> see
> > > >>>>>>> yet
> > > >>>>>>>>> another process enforced that Kees us from getting work done
> > when
> > > >>>>>>> necessary.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> -Jake
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Dan Smith <dsm...@pivotal.io
> >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> -1 to (1) and (2).
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think merge commits are appropriate in certain
> > > >> circumstances,
> > > >>>> so I
> > > >>>>>>>>> don't
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> think we should make a blanket restriction. In fact I
> think
> > > >> our
> > > >>>>>>> release
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> process involves some merges.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think setting standards on what is reasonable to be an
> > > >>>> individual
> > > >>>>>>>>> commit
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> will do a lot more to clean up our history than blocking
> > > >> merges.
> > > >>>> We'd
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rather not see commits like "Spotless Apply" in the
> history,
> > > >> but
> > > >>>> if
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> reasonably separate and well written commits come in as
> part
> > > >> of
> > > >>> a
> > > >>>>>>>>> merge, I
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> think that's fine.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> -Dan
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 4:27 PM Jinmei Liao <
> > > >> jil...@pivotal.io
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 4:05 PM Owen Nichols <
> > > >>> onich...@pivotal.io
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’d like to advance this topic from an informal
> > > >>>> request/discussion
> > > >>>>>>>>> to a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion of a concrete proposal.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To recap, it sounds like there is general agreement that
> > > >>> commit
> > > >>>>>>>>> history
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> develop should be linear (no merge commits), and that
> the
> > > >>>> biggest
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> obstacle
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this is that the PR merge button in GitHub creates a
> > > >> merge
> > > >>>>>>> commit
> > > >>>>>>>>> by
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> default.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I propose the following changes:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Change GitHub settings to remove the ability to
> create
> > a
> > > >>>> merge
> > > >>>>>>>>> commit.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will make Squash & Merge the default.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Change GitHub settings to require linear history on
> > > >>> develop.
> > > >>>>>>> This
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevents merge commits via command-line (not
> recommended,
> > > >> but
> > > >>>> wiki
> > > >>>>>>>>> still
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has instructions for merging PRs this way).
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Update the PR template to change the text "Is your
> > > >> initial
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> contribution
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a single, squashed commit” to “Is your initial
> > contribution
> > > >>>>>>> squashed
> > > >>>>>>>>> for
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ease of review (e.g. a single commit, or a ‘refactoring’
> > > >>> commit
> > > >>>>>>> plus
> > > >>>>>>>>> a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ‘fix’ commit)"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For clarity, I am proposing no-change in the following
> > > >> areas:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i) Leave Rebase & Merge as an option for PRs that have
> > been
> > > >>>>>>>>> structured to
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit from it (this can make it easier in a bisect to
> > see
> > > >>>> whether
> > > >>>>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> refactoring or the “fix” broke something).
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ii) Leave existing wording in the wiki as-is [stating
> that
> > > >>>>>>> squashing
> > > >>>>>>>>> is
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> preferred].
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please comment via this email thread.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Owen
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 16, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Kirk Lund <
> > kl...@apache.org>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's already resolved Udo ;)
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the problem, if I fixup a dunit test by removing
> > all
> > > >>>> uses
> > > >>>>>>> of
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "this."
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I rename the dunit test, then git doesn't remember
> > that
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>>>> file
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rename -- it forever afterwards interprets it as a new
> > file
> > > >>>> that I
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> created
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I touch more than 50% of the lines (which "this."
> can
> > > >>> easily
> > > >>>>>>>>> do). If
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> squash two commits: the rename and the cleanup of that
> > > >> dunit
> > > >>>> test
> > > >>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> then
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we effectively lose the history of that file and it
> shows
> > > >>> that
> > > >>>> I
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> created
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new file.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also for the record, I've been working on Geode since
> the
> > > >>>>>>> beginning
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was never made aware of this change in our process. I
> > never
> > > >>>> voted
> > > >>>>>>> on
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of changing various details in our
> > > >> process
> > > >>>> every
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> single
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week. It's very easy to miss these discussions unless
> > > >> someone
> > > >>>>>>>>> points it
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 10:34 AM Udo Kohlmeyer <
> > > >>>>>>>>> ukohlme...@pivotal.io>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what this discussion is about... WE, as a
> > > >>>> community,
> > > >>>>>>>>> have
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agreed in common practices, in two place no less...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Quoting our PR template
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   For all changes:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a JIRA ticket associated with this PR? Is it
> > > >>>> referenced
> > > >>>>>>>>> in
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the commit message?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has your PR been rebased against the latest commit
> > within
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> target
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branch (typically|develop|)?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***Is your initial contribution a single, squashed
> > > >> commit?*
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does|gradlew build|run cleanly?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you written or updated unit tests to verify your
> > > >>>> changes?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If adding new dependencies to the code, are these
> > > >>>> dependencies
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> licensed in a way that is compatible for inclusion
> > > >> underASF
> > > >>>> 2.0
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a
> >?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On our PR template we call out that the initial PR
> > commit
> > > >>>> should
> > > >>>>>>> be
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> squashed.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GEODE/Code+contributions
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GEODE/Code+contributions
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- See "Accepting a PR Using the Command Line" - Point
> > #3.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Kirk, if each of your commits "stands alone", I
> commend
> > > >> you
> > > >>>> on
> > > >>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diligence, but in reality, they should either then be
> > > >> stand
> > > >>>> alone
> > > >>>>>>>>> PR's
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or just extra work created for yourself.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we want to change the way we have agreed upon we
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> submit/commit/merge
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes back into develop... Then this is another
> > > >> discussion
> > > >>>>>>>>> thread,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until then, I think we should all remind ourselves on
> > our
> > > >>>> agreed
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions code of conduct.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Udo
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/19 9:59 AM, Nabarun Nag wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirk, I believe that creating a Pull Request with
> > > >> multiple
> > > >>>>>>>>> commits is
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just in the end that when it's being pushed to
> > > >> develop
> > > >>>>>>>>> branch,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be squash merged. I believe that is what you
> > > >> have
> > > >>>>>>>>> mentioned
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first paragraph, and I am more than happy with that.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can see in the first screenshot comparison
> that
> > I
> > > >>> had
> > > >>>>>>>>> attached
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first email in this thread is what I want to
> avoid.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your feedback.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naba
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 9:47 AM Kirk Lund <
> > > >>> kl...@apache.org>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I submit a PR with multiple commits that I
> > > >> intend
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>> rebase
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> develop, I always try to ensure that each commit
> > stands
> > > >>>> alone
> > > >>>>>>> as
> > > >>>>>>>>> is
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (compiles and passes tests). Separating file renames
> > and
> > > >>>>>>>>> refactoring
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior changes into different commits seems very
> > > >>> valuable
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>> me,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had trouble getting people to review PRs without
> this
> > > >>>>>>> separation
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (but
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be squashed as it's merged to develop).
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds to me like the real problem is (a) some
> PRs
> > > >> have
> > > >>>>>>>>> multiple
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commits
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that don't compile or don't pass tests, and (b) some
> > PRs
> > > >>>> that
> > > >>>>>>>>> should
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merged with squash are not (by accident most
> likely).
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can submit multiple PRs instead of one PR with
> > > >> multiple
> > > >>>>>>>>> commits.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> So
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change my response to -0 if that helps prevent
> commits
> > > >> to
> > > >>>>>>> develop
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't compile or pass tests. Without preventing
> rebase
> > > >> or
> > > >>>> merge
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commits
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from github, I'm not sure how we can really enforce
> > this
> > > >>> or
> > > >>>>>>>>> prevent
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (b)
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 3:38 PM Alexander Murmann <
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> amurm...@pivotal.io>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if Kirk's and Naba's statements are
> > > >> necessarily
> > > >>> at
> > > >>>>>>>>> odds.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make the change easy (warning: this may be hard),
> > then
> > > >>> make
> > > >>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> easy
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change."
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Kent Beck
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Following Kent Beck's advise might reasonably split
> > > >> into
> > > >>>> two
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> commits.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refactor commit and a separate commit that
> introduces
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>>>> actual
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They should be individually revertible and might be
> > > >>> easier
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> understood
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> split out. I vividly remember a change on our code
> > base
> > > >>>> where
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> huge amount of refactoring that resulted than in
> one
> > > >>>> parameter
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to get the desired functionality change. If
> > that
> > > >>> was
> > > >>>> in
> > > >>>>>>>>> one
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be hard to see the actual change. If split
> > > >> out,
> > > >>>> it's
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> beautiful
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crystal clear.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am unsure how that would be reflected in terms of
> > > >> JIRA
> > > >>>>>>> ticket
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> references.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usually we assume that if there is a commit with
> the
> > > >>> ticket
> > > >>>>>>>>> number,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue is resolved. Maybe the key here is to create
> a
> > > >>>> separate
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refactoring
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ticket.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would that allow us to have our cake and eat it
> too?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 3:16 PM Nabarun Nag <
> > > >>>> n...@pivotal.io>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is to help with bisect operations when things
> > start
> > > >>>>>>> failing
> > > >>>>>>>>> ...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helps
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it revert and build faster.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also with cherry picking features / fixes to
> > previous
> > > >>>>>>> versions
> > > >>>>>>>>> .
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And keeping the git history clean with no
> > unnecessary
> > > >>>> “merge
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commits”.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naba
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 2:25 PM Kirk Lund <
> > > >>>> kl...@apache.org>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1 I really like to sometimes have more than 1
> > commit
> > > >>> in
> > > >>>> a
> > > >>>>>>> PR
> > > >>>>>>>>> and
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separate when they merge to develop
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 5:12 PM Nabarun Nag <
> > > >>>>>>> n...@pivotal.io>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Geode Committers,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A kind request for using squash commit instead
> of
> > > >>> using
> > > >>>>>>>>> merge.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will really help us in our bisect
> operations
> > > >>> when a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regression/flakiness in the product is
> introduced.
> > > >> We
> > > >>>> can
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> automate
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through fewer commits faster, avoiding commits
> > like
> > > >>>>>>> "spotless
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> fix"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "re-trigger precheck-in" or other minor commits
> in
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>>>> merged
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branch.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, please use the commit format : (helps us
> to
> > > >> know
> > > >>>> who
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> worked
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is the history)
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *                GEODE-xxxx: <brief intro >
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * explanation line 1
> > > >> *
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> explanation
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2*
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a rule or anything, but a request to
> > > >> help
> > > >>>> out
> > > >>>>>>>>> your
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fellow
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committers in quickly detecting a problem.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For inspiration, we can look into Apache Kafka /
> > > >> Spark
> > > >>>>>>> where
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete linear graph for their main branch HEAD
> > > >> [see
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> attachment]
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naba.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>> Ju@N
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Cheers
> > > >>
> > > >> Jinmei
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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