The other way to look at it is; what happens to a cache op; when there is an exception after Region.Entry is created? can it happen? In that case, do we stick the entry into the Cache or not? If an exception is handled, how is it done, can we look at using the same for Index...
Also previously, once the valid index is created (verified during create or first put into the cache); we never had any issue where index is out of sync with cache...If that changes with new futures (security?) then we may have to change the expectation with indexing... -Anil. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Anthony Baker <aba...@pivotal.io> wrote: > I’m confused. Once a cache update has been distributed to other members > it can’t be undone. That update could have triggered myriad other > application behaviors. > > Anthony > > > On Sep 11, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Michael Stolz <mst...@pivotal.io> wrote: > > > > Great, that's exactly the behavior I would expect. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > Mike Stolz > > Principal Engineer, GemFire Product Manager > > Mobile: +1-631-835-4771 > > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Jason Huynh <jhu...@pivotal.io> wrote: > > > >> Hi Mike, I think the concern was less about the security portion but > rather > >> if any exception occurs during index update, right now, the region gets > >> updated and the rest of the system (index/wan/callbacks) may or may not > be > >> updated. I think Naba just tried to provide an example where this might > >> occur, but that specific scenario is invalid. > >> > >> I believe Nabarun has opened a ticket for rolling back the put operation > >> when an index exception occurs. GEODE-3589. It can probably be > modified to > >> state any exception instead of index exceptions. > >> > >> To summarize my understanding: > >> -Someone will need to implement the rollback for GEODE-3589. This means > >> that if any exception occurs during a put, geode it will propagate back > to > >> the user and it is expected the rollback mechanism will clean up any > >> partial put. > >> > >> GEODE-3520 should be modified to: > >> -Add the isValid() api to index interface > >> -Mark an index as invalid during async index updates but not for > >> synchronous index updates. The synchronous index updates will rely on a > >> rollback mechanism > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:23 PM Michael Stolz <mst...@pivotal.io> > wrote: > >> > >>> I think there was an intention of having CREATION of an index require a > >>> higher privilege than DATA:WRITE, but it shouldn't affect applying the > >>> index on either of put or get operations. > >>> > >>> If we are requiring something like CLUSTER:MANAGE for put on an indexed > >>> region, that is an incorrect requirement. Only DATA:WRITE should be > >>> required to put an entry and have it be indexed if an index is present. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Mike Stolz > >>> Principal Engineer, GemFire Product Manager > >>> Mobile: +1-631-835-4771 <(631)%20835-4771> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Anilkumar Gingade <aging...@pivotal.io > > > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Indexes are critical for querying; most of the databases doesn't allow > >>>> insert/update if there is any failure with index maintenance... > >>>> > >>>> As Geode OQL supports two ways (sync and async) to maintain the > >> indexes, > >>> we > >>>> need be careful about the error handling in both cases... > >>>> > >>>> My take is: > >>>> 1. For synchronous index maintenance: > >>>> If there is any failure in updating any index (security/auth or > logical > >>>> error) on the region; throw an exception and rollback the cache > >> update/op > >>>> (index management id done under region.entry lock - we should be able > >> to > >>>> revert the op). If index or cache is left in bad state, then its a bug > >>> that > >>>> needs to be addressed. > >>>> > >>>> Most of the time, If there is any logical error in index, it will be > >>>> detected as soon as index is created (on existing data) or when first > >>>> update is done to the cache. > >>>> > >>>> 2. For Asynchronous index maintenance: > >>>> As this is async (assuming) user has good understanding of the risk > >>>> involved with async, any error with index maintenance, the index > should > >>> be > >>>> invalidated... > >>>> > >>>> About the security/auth, the user permission with region read/write > >>> needs > >>>> to be applied for index updates, there should not be different > >> permission > >>>> on index. > >>>> > >>>> -Anil. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Nabarun Nag <n...@pivotal.io> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Mike, > >>>>> > >>>>> Please do find our answers below: > >>>>> *Question:* What if there were multiple indices that were in flight > >> and > >>>>> only the third > >>>>> one errors out, will they all be marked invalid? > >>>>> > >>>>> *Answer:* Only the third will be marked invalid and only the third > >> one > >>>> will > >>>>> not be used for query execution. > >>>>> > >>>>> *Question/Statement:* If anything goes wrong with the put it should > >>>>> probably still throw back to > >>>>> the caller. Silent invalidation of the index is probably not > >> desirable. > >>>>> > >>>>> *Answer: * > >>>>> In our current design this the flow of execution of a put operation: > >>>>> entry put into region -> update index -> other wan related > >> executions / > >>>>> callbacks etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> If an exception happens while updating the index, the cache gets > >> into a > >>>> bad > >>>>> state, and we may end up getting different results depending on the > >>> index > >>>>> we are using. As the failure happens half way in a put operation, the > >>>>> regions / cache are now in a bad state. > >>>>> -------------------------- > >>>>> We are thinking that if index is created over a method invocation in > >>> an > >>>>> empty region and then we do puts, but method invocation is not > >> allowed > >>> as > >>>>> per security policies. The puts will now be successful but the index > >>> will > >>>>> be rendered invalid. Previously the puts will fail with exception and > >>> put > >>>>> the entire cache in a bad state. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards > >>>>> Nabarun > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:43 AM Michael Stolz <mst...@pivotal.io> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Just to help me understand, the index is corrupted in a way beyond > >>> just > >>>>> the > >>>>>> field that errors out? > >>>>>> What if there were multiple indices that were in flight and only > >> the > >>>>> third > >>>>>> one errors out, will they all be marked invalid? > >>>>>> If anything goes wrong with the put it should probably still throw > >>> back > >>>>> to > >>>>>> the caller. Silent invalidation of the index is probably not > >>> desirable. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Mike Stolz > >>>>>> Principal Engineer, GemFire Product Manager > >>>>>> Mobile: +1-631-835-4771 <(631)%20835-4771> <(631)%20835-4771> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Dan Smith <dsm...@pivotal.io> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Dan > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Nabarun Nag <n...@apache.org> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *Proposal:* > >>>>>>>> * Index interface will include an API - isValid() which will > >>> return > >>>>>> true > >>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>> the index is still valid / uncorrupted, else will return false > >> if > >>>> it > >>>>>>>> corrupted / invalid. > >>>>>>>> * gfsh command "list index" will have one more column "Is > >> Valid" > >>>>> which > >>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>> state the status as "true" or "false". > >>>>>>>> * Invalid indexes will not be used during query executions. > >>>>>>>> * In case the index is found to be invalid, the user will be > >> able > >>>> to > >>>>>>>> remove/destroy the index. > >>>>>>>> * When a put operation corrupts an index, it will be logged. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *Reasoning:* > >>>>>>>> * Currently if a put operation raises an exception while > >> updating > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> index, the put operation fails with an exception to the putter. > >>>>>>>> * For example, if an index is created on an object method, and > >>> that > >>>>>>> method > >>>>>>>> causes an exception while updating the index as a part of a put > >>>>>>> operation, > >>>>>>>> then the put operation fails for that particular entry and the > >>>> index > >>>>> is > >>>>>>>> left in a bad state. > >>>>>>>> * This may occur also due to lack of permission to update index > >>> but > >>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> permission to do puts. > >>>>>>>> * We are proposing that in the above mentioned scenarios, the > >> put > >>>>>>> succeeds > >>>>>>>> in putting the entry in the region but the index which it was > >>>> trying > >>>>> to > >>>>>>>> update will be marked invalid and will not be used for query > >>>>>> executions. > >>>>>>>> * This can be justified because the corrupted index will not > >>>>> correctly > >>>>>>>> represent the region entries. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *Status Quo:* > >>>>>>>> * Index creation will still fail if we are trying to create an > >>>> index > >>>>>>> over a > >>>>>>>> region containing an entry/entries which will cause an > >> exception > >>>>> while > >>>>>>>> loading the entry into the index. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards > >>>>>>>> Nabarun Nag > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >
