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On 2019/07/18 16:25:15, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote: > I think that efforts such as Outreachy work well in helping bootstrap > people to gain their own merit. There are extenuating circumstances > that seem to prevent people from even making that first step as a > contributor in the first place whether it be pull requests, bug > reports, mailing list posts, etc., and identifying and helping fix > those hurdles could go a long way toward increasing D&I as well as > encouraging more contributors in general. In the case of Outreachy, > like GSoC, this targets specific people who are eager and ready to > learn and work on OSS, though with structured guidance and student > stipend, regular mentor feedback and review, etc. These efforts should > hopefully also identify general issues that prevent newcomers from > contributing to our projects, though this group will likely find more > information about this from the survey efforts. Similar to how GSoC > helps mentor and bootstrap university students into the professional > world of open source software development, Outreachy mentors > underrepresented people in the same way. This whole positive equity > building process is one of the big things that really attracted me to > volunteering with Outreachy in the first place last year. > > On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 at 05:51, Jim Jagielski <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I also like that analogy and I think it matches what we are trying to do. > > We are trying to do all we can to allow for equitable opportunity for all. > > We need to know what "blockers" there are and what we can do about them. I > > have no doubt that the Outreachy effort will help with that. > > > > The concern I have is ensuring there is a realistic understanding of what > > equitable opportunity means, and how to implement them, especially as it > > impacts the concept of merit here at the ASF. Because it is never too early > > to remind ourselves of some basic tenets, one core idea of the Apache Way > > and our do-ocracy is that merit (or reward) is dependent upon what you do, > > not who you are. As such, we should always keep in the back of our minds > > that such solutions as "you are from an under-represented group and > > therefore you don't need to earn that much merit" or, conversely, "you are > > someone with privilege and therefore needs to do a lot more to earn the > > same amount of merit" will assuredly not stand at the ASF. > > > > No, I am not worried about that happening, but just wanted to make sure > > that this aspect of the Apache Way was known and acknowledged. > > > > And the final reminder is understanding that, at the end of the day, not > > everyone will want to look over the fence. And that's OK. That is not a > > failure. Some people may simply not be interested in watching whatever is > > going on over there, no matter how easy it is we make it for them to do so. > > > > Cheers! > > > > On 2019/07/17 17:03:55, Rich Bowen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 7/17/19 10:52 AM, Michael Mior wrote: > > > > I'm familiar with that cartoon although I recently came across this > > > > article that goes a little deeper. > > > > > > > > http://culturalorganizing.org/the-problem-with-that-equity-vs-equality-graphic/ > > > > > > Yeah, that's a cool extension to the conversation. > > > > > > Analogies are ... just analogies. They are not reality. Taking them too > > > far - their "logical extreme" - always results in problems. > > > > > > I do like the extension of the analogy in this article, but even then, > > > it eventually breaks down. > > > > > > The fence, for example, protects us from line drives. :) > > > > > > We strive to bring more people to the table, and make the table bigger, > > > and yet we have angry voices complaining that we'll run out of food. One > > > of these days, I need to write that "Open Source as pot-luck dinner" > > > blog post. The more people we bring to the table, the better dinner will > > > be. > > > > > > I am saddened by all of the anger and outrage that is generated by > > > wanting to have more friends come to dinner. > > > > > > > -- > Matt Sicker <[email protected]> >
