+1000 Having served in many roles, including setting up GSoC, President, EVP, VP, Director and, of course, committer, I don't need a lecture on what the Apache Way is or how to empower Gris and team to get stuff done within it.
More importantly I am here to ensure Gris and team don't succumb to the kind of random process enforcement that is now common for some people. That is the kind of nonsense that says nobody can move without the implicit permission of everyone on this list and/or the board is a sure fire way to fail. Reversible steps are fine. If you want it in Apache Way terms then think of it as Commit Then Review vs Review Then Commit. I'll be equally as forceful when things aren't done well. Ross --- Sent from my phone, likely while waking down the stars and having a conversation. Sorry about my carelessness, I blame the machines. ________________________________ From: Myrle Krantz <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 6:34:29 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Need to Invite Committee Members to meetings was Re: Recap from call w/ Outreachy's team A reminder Kevin, While it is important to work to achieve buy-in from the many volunteers Gris will need to help with the work, D&I is *not* a traditional PMC. Think of it more like conferences. Precisely because such efforts have, in the past, been literally talked to death, the board chose a different structure for this D&I project: Gris both needs, *and* *has* the right to operate as VP Diversity, as she has done here. What's more: she has already put in an *enormous* amount of effort to achieve buy-in from the volunteers here. So even though she has the right to make executive decisions, she's clearly not making them without consultation. Gris is doing what I, as a board member, intended her to be able to do when I voted for both the first and the second resolution on D&I. I have full faith in both her ability to continue doing it, and in Sam's ability to call Gris to accounts if she slips out of the bounds of that role. Best Regards, Myrle On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 7:04 PM Kevin A. McGrail <[email protected]> wrote: > On 7/8/2019 12:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > "If it didn't happen on the list it didn't happen" does not mean nothing > can happen in this way, only that decisions are not made without time for > community feedback and engagement. > > > > No problem in this case. Thank you for keeping things moving. > > Ross, > > The committee not being notified it was happening and not extending the > invite to others on list is a no-no. > > For similar complaints, see Sally's complaint on June 2nd for the > Hackathon meetings with too little notice for the bridge information on > planners@. Luckily Rich had emailed about it previously so this was > just the logistics details and more announcements were made since. > > We need to give Gris and others new to Apache correct guidance. Using > synchronous comms especially meetings without everyone invited are > pitfalls for a lack of inclusion and definitely not in line with the > Apache Way. > > Regards, > > KAM > >
