> Gris' statement is accurate and correct, based on the reports I see from > other committees. I've seen no statement from Gris. I believe you have read the thread incorrectly. > >> While it is a notice to the board, it's also a roadmap for the committee >> to follow. > And roadmaps evolve over time. Give this one some more, please.
I have not in anyway suggested there is urgency. Is there urgency that the board must be notified in July that I'm not aware of? > >> I am -1 on notifying them with such vague terms. If you prefer, once >> you commit it to the board agenda, I can instead email board@ and >> request that such vagueness should be clarified. > That would be completely out of line, Kevin. Gris is the chair of this > committee and has the authority to submit the report she sees fit. Of course she Gris has that authority. However, as I wrote above this isn't a statement from Gris and secondly I'm entitled to my opinion. Whether my vote of -1 is binding is TBD for the committee and how it functions which I have zero issues if Gris is a BD. It is, however, still my opinion. We are looking at a fiduciary issue. The board and our membership deserve a non-vague description of how we we will spend and measure the success of that endeavor. Also setting a roadmap and expectations for that to be done will help people know what is needed to be done. I was suggesting the board recommend what they see as non-vague terms so the resolution will be accepted. > If you insist on emailing board@, I can't stop you, but your email will > go ignored by this Director. I do not insist on anything. I asked another director her preference if you read my note. > Please no. We've already had complaints about Google tooling being > exclusionary on this list (or, it might have been discuss@). > > We already have a plethora of ASF-provided tools, and we should work > with what we've got today: Jira, Confluence, or even a git repository. I am referring to the ASF google infrastructure: gsuite.cloud.apache.org that is doing great work for a number of endeavors I have no strong opinion but if you want me to do work, I need tools that are efficient and compatible with accessibility tools for low-vision. That's not Jira and Confluence but I'm happy to put my work in sheets and others can groom into other locations as the committee deems fit. Regards, KAM >>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 1:07 PM Kevin A. McGrail <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/5/2019 5:21 AM, Myrle Krantz wrote: >>>>> Alright, new version. With an added section on measuring. >>>> I see some issues with the lack of specificity. You will set things up >>>> for success by adding this specificity on deliverables. It will set >>>> expectations and help answer hard questions that might otherwise go >>>> unnoticed. >>>> >>>> #1: how specifically will you advertise this? It is extremely difficult >>>> to get the word spread on things within the ASF and there are concerns >>>> constantly with overwhelming people using bulk lists. Please discuss >>>> how you envision this happening because I see this as a pretty big hurdle: >>>> >>>> * Advertise this opportunity to projects and seek mentors & proposals. >>>> >>>> >>>> #2: What tool will we use for the feedback? Email? Surveys? Please >>>> specify the number of times and the frequency or a minimum such as no less >>>> than 3x's during the program. >>>> >>>> * Ask interns for feedback on their experiences at various times throughout >>>> the internship. >>>> >>>> >>>> #3: Define regular intervals, please. It's far too vague. >>>> * In a seperate effort we will be working on and administering a survey at >>>> regular intervals. >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> KAM >>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Myrle >>>>> >>>>> ----------------- >>>>> Subject: [NOTICE] D&I intends to coordinate an Outreachy intern program. >>>>> >>>>> Background: D&I wishes to perform UX research on the experience of >>>> members >>>>> of underrepresented groups as they get started with our communities. >>>>> Internships via Outreachy provide us with an excellent opportunity to do >>>> so. >>>>> A sponsor has offered to provide stipends via Outreachy which will cover >>>> 3 >>>>> interns. D&I plans to provide the following support: >>>>> >>>>> * Advertise this opportunity to projects and seek mentors & proposals. >>>>> * Manage the project submission process to Outreachy, including filtering >>>>> out unsuitable project proposals, and, if necessary, making a final >>>>> selection of intern-project pairs. >>>>> * Ask interns for feedback on their experiences at various times >>>> throughout >>>>> the internship. >>>>> * Provide appropriate and useful feedback to the Foundation and to the >>>>> projects about opportunities to improve how welcoming we are, and what we >>>>> can improve on. >>>>> * Use this as an opportunity to increase awareness and acceptance of the >>>>> ASF in communities which we are currently not reaching as well as we >>>> would >>>>> like. >>>>> >>>>> If Outreachy receives funding for more than 3 interns for the ASF, we >>>> will >>>>> facilitate the placement of such additional interns with Apache projects, >>>>> but we plan to keep the initial rounds of this project relatively small >>>> for >>>>> learning purposes. >>>>> >>>>> We intend to measure the success of this program in the following ways: >>>>> * In a seperate effort we will be working on and administering a survey >>>> at >>>>> regular intervals. >>>>> * We will ask participating projects to provide feedback on the program >>>> and >>>>> on our resulting documentation. >>>>> >>>>> ----------------- >>>>> The road ahead on this proposal is as follows (** indicates where we are >>>>> now): >>>>> * Start a [DISCUSS] thread. >>>>> ** Allow the discussion to run as long as *new* points are being made. >>>>> * Start a [VOTE] thread to run for 72 hours. >>>>> * Submit a [NOTICE] to the board. >>>>> * Wait 72 hours for potential board objections. >>>>> * Get to work. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:33 AM Naomi S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 05:48, Roman Shaposhnik <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is just a from-a-peanut-gallery-wish-list (feel free to ignore), >>>>>>> but I'd really love to see >>>>>>> us partner with at least a few orgs like Outreachy simply to be able to >>>>>>> get more >>>>>>> diverse set of opinions on how to approach D&I issue at ASF. >>>>>>> >>>>>> don't want to get ahead of ourselves. but in general, +1 >>>>>> >>>>>> a plurality of approaches, organizations, and efforts is important >>>> because >>>>>> there are so many intersecting issues, perspectives, and needs >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kevin A. McGrail >>>> Member, Apache Software Foundation >>>> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171 >>>> >>>> -- Kevin A. McGrail Member, Apache Software Foundation Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
