The bar to become an ASF committer is high.
For example I am not an ASF committer yet, while I think I have the ability
to be one, but nope until we meet some uncertain bar.
And the bar is unclear to me, which is the worst part.

Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> 于2022年4月22日周五 01:57写道:

> What I mean is that Commons is open to any ASF committers, so the bar
> to committing is super low. If you can handle the non-PMC-specific
> parts of the release process (mainly having it all ready to run the
> commands), then a PMC member can help with release signing and all
> that. Volunteering to manage releases is a great way to get invited
> into the PMC, too, so keep that in mind.
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 10:36 PM Xeno Amess <xenoam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > @Matt Sicker
> >
> > Like what I said before, there be no current active commons committers
> who
> > interested in developing bean-utils.
> >
> > For example, commons-math have sebb, commons-lang & text & vfs have gary,
> > commons-compress have peterAL, but seems nobody is interested in
> > commons-beanutils
> >
> > Currently Gary maintains it, but he is busy, he maintains all
> commons-lib.
> > There be no enough time for him one person to maintain such a lib,
> > especially a lib who lack lots of refines(considering comparing with same
> > utility in other libs, like what in Spring)
> >
> > So I really think it be good to have 1 or 2 new committers for
> > maintaining commons-beanutils
> >
> > Melloware Inc <melloware...@gmail.com> 于2022年4月21日周四 09:57写道:
> >
> > > Matt,
> > >
> > > I totally agree.  I asked over and over for almost a year for a
> release.
> > >
> > >  I understand the contributors are busy. I was submitting PRs that were
> > > not getting reviewed and merged.   I have a client that had 2
> concerns…the
> > > security findings and the fact it still used commons collections 3
> instead
> > > of 4.
> > >
> > > I literally tried everything to get this Jar released you can look back
> > > through the mailing list.  So I finally resorted to “I have no choice
> but
> > > to release this myself”.
> > >
> > >  I absolutely did NOT want to. But what else is the community to do
> when
> > > an open source library goes 5+ years between releases???
> > >
> > > Melloware
> > > @melloware on GitHub
> > >
> > > > On Apr 20, 2022, at 8:09 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don’t see why that couldn’t have been done here. There’s no need
> to
> > > fork Commons projects when they’re fairly open to contributors.
> > > >
> > > > —
> > > > Matt Sicker
> > > >
> > > >> On Apr 20, 2022, at 16:19, Melloware Inc <melloware...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> It was supposed to be temporary until Apache released 2.0.  It’s
> been
> > > over 5 years since last beanutils release so it’s a good thing I did
> in my
> > > opinion.
> > > >>
> > > >> Melloware
> > > >> @melloware on GitHub
> > > >>
> > > >>>> On Apr 20, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You are crearting jar hell by reusing the Apache package names
> under
> > > >>> different Maven coordinates. Not a good idea IMO.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gary
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 15:27 Melloware <melloware...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I did not the package names are the same I did this because I had
> > > >>>> multiple clients complaining about Commons Beantutils 1.9.4
> security
> > > >>>> vulnerabilities and needed a public version of the code so it
> could be
> > > >>>> scanned.  Whenever the REAL BeanUtils2 is ever released to Maven
> > > Central
> > > >>>> my clients can simply change their pom.xml back to org.apache
> versions
> > > >>>> and they are a drop in.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On 4/20/2022 2:26 PM, sebb wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 at 18:54, Melloware <melloware...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>>> And and I have forked it and deployed to Maven Central
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> <dependency>
> > > >>>>>>  <groupId>com.melloware</groupId>
> > > >>>>>>  <artifactId>commons-beanutils2</artifactId>
> > > >>>>>>  <version>2.0.0</version>
> > > >>>>>> </dependency>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> Did you change the package names?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If not, there will be problems in the future if a project
> depends on
> > > >>>>> both via different dependencies.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On 4/20/2022 10:12 AM, Xeno Amess wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> Well I wonder should we give melloware (
> > > https://github.com/melloware)
> > > >>>> a
> > > >>>>>>> committer permission.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Since:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 1. he has quite some experience here, not a fresh hand.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 2. he has ability to write/review good codes.(already several
> > > thousands
> > > >>>>>>> lines in common-beanutils).
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 3. he has enough time and interest to refine beanutils. (This
> is
> > > the
> > > >>>> most
> > > >>>>>>> important, as it seems no committers want to develop
> beanutils...)
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Any thoughts?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> 于2022年4月20日周三 21:00写道:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> There isn't one; we are all volunteers here ;-)
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> There is probably clean up to do, PRs, Jiras, releasing and
> > > synching
> > > >>>> with
> > > >>>>>>>> Commons Collections 4.5 first (probably).
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Gary
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 07:21 Martin Aldrin
> > > >>>>>>>> <martin.ald...@ericsson.com.invalid> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I wonder what the time plan for release of beanutils2 is.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> /Martin
> > > >>>>>>>>>
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