Hi all, Do not see any objections to why not try? Even if we fail, it's better to try and fail than to wait forever. According to our Russian tradition, we have a good anecdote about the situation, but, as usual, it is not a very decent one. So, I will tell you it in Chinese.
甲： 热夫斯基中尉，您是怎么这么快就跟姑娘们打成一片的？ 乙： 我请她们跳舞，然后马上问：“请允许我小小地征服一下您的芳心！” 甲： 这么直白，可是要吃闭门羹的，中尉！ 乙： 同意，可能会吃闭门羹……但也可能会征服芳心呀！ The most challenging task for me is preparing the Charter. It's a formal document that we should all come to an agreement on what our mission is and why we are participating in the project. So far, we have been able to reach agreement, and I believe we can continue doing so. We have 4 active PPMC from Yandex Cloud and more then 4 active members from Hash Data. That's enough to vote for the releases. Some members also have write access but cannot vote right now. I believe they will become our (P)PMC one day. What I see here in my neighbourhood is that we need a vendor-neutral solution. People do not believe in big companies anymore, especially after closed-source Greenplum. The ASF way is a good solution to address their doubts. Best, Leonid On Wed, Nov 11, 2026 at 5:01 AM Max Yang <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Ed, > > Thanks for starting the discussion. > > What the upstream commit history shows > (origin/main, after stripping PostgreSQL/Greenplum backports. Please > correct me if something wrong): > > - Activity is steady. 180–200 Cloudberry commits per half-year from 27–38 > author emails. 2025H1 reached 429 because of the PG16 port. > - Few people merge. At most 9 distinct people per half-year landed code, > against 27–56 authors. > > Best regards, Max Yang > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2026 at 9:35 AM Ed Espino via dev <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Apache Cloudberry (Incubating) files a short quarterly report with the > > Incubator. That report goes to the ASF Board. The November one is filed. It > > says a graduation discussion would start. This thread is that start, on > > dev@ > > only. > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/November2026 > > > > The report named general@incubator as well. The Incubator graduation guide > > suggests telling general@incubator when a community vote starts, and asks > > that the vote itself not be copied there. So a note to general@incubator > > comes later, if and when we start a community vote. It will point to this > > thread. It will not carry the vote. > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > > > > The November report lists two unfinished items before graduating: grow the > > contributor community, and publish a few more Apache releases. > > > > I ran the Incubator graduation self-assessment on 9 November 2026. It > > compares those unfinished items to our releases and our roster. It assesses > > the project as near ready. It does not say we are ready. The release item > > is met. The community item is partly addressed, which is why this thread > > asks whether any one company is still vital to the project. > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator/blob/master/tools/skills/graduation-self-assessment/skills/graduation-self-assessment/SKILL.md > > > > Here is what is behind each item, releases first. > > > > We have shipped 2.0.0, 2.1.0, and 2.2.0. The vote calls for the candidates > > that passed were: > > > > 14 August 2025, Ed Espino, 2.0.0-rc3 > > 26 March 2026, Dianjin Wang, 2.1.0-rc2 > > 20 October 2026, Leonid Borchuk, 2.2.0-rc3 > > > > 2.2.0 was announced on 6 November 2026. > > https://cloudberry.apache.org/blog/announce-apache-cloudberry-2.2.0 > > > > For the community item, the guide asks for a project that is not highly > > dependent on any single contributor, with at least three legally > > independent committers and no single company or entity that is vital to the > > success of the project. > > > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#creating_an_open_and_diverse_community > > > > I checked our team page on 10 November 2026. It lists people at more than > > one organization. On that page I am at Synx Data Labs, Dianjin is at > > HashData, and Leonid is at Yandex Cloud, so those three vote calls came > > from three organizations. Leonid also joined the PPMC during incubation. > > The status page announces him as a new PPMC member on 7 April 2026. > > https://cloudberry.apache.org/team/ > > https://incubator.apache.org/projects/cloudberry.html > > > > From that, I do not think a release depends on one company. That does not > > settle whether any one company is vital to the project. HashData is still > > the largest group on the team page. In the end that is the Incubator's > > opinion to form, and I would like us to look at it here first. Is any one > > company still vital to the project? If I have read the releases wrong, > > please say that too. > > > > So I am asking everyone here, committer or not: > > > > Are we ready to graduate? > > Is a top-level project the right destination? > > What is still missing? > > > > Nothing is decided by this mail. I will leave this thread open long enough > > for people outside any one organization to reply. > > > > -=e > > -- > > Ed Espino > > Apache Cloudberry (Incubating) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
