> valuing community over code “Community” involves treating others with respect: following the norms of conversation by acknowledging and responding to the points and queries of others, accepting when you have a minority position, and stepping aside when your goals are not clearly in conflict with others.
A negative vote is also expected to be accompanied by an alternative proposal: https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#decision-making During the discussion, despite weeks of exhortation, no alternative proposal was made. I understand that you prefer no conflict, Mick, but consensus rests on these norms being followed, and they clearly were not in this case. I agree with Leif this was a bug in our process. I will be bringing forward a proposal to make clear the expectations of people involved in the CEP process, so there is greater clarity in future and so that failures to behave in an appropriate manner cannot unduly prevent progress. From: Mick Semb Wever <m...@apache.org> Date: Friday, 15 October 2021 at 16:33 To: dev@cassandra.apache.org <dev@cassandra.apache.org> Subject: Re: Tradeoffs for Cassandra transaction management > > I have reviewed CEP-15 and I must say, I'm excited to see its inclusion > into mainline Cassandra, and I'm disheartened to see what appears to be an > unsubstantiated veto of the proposal from the committee's leadership. > Leif, the Accord paper and CEP-15 has indeed generated a lot of excitement in the community. But please don't misinterpret what vetoes are. Cassandra 4.0 (from RCs) was vetoed four times before it got released, every veto was important and in support of 4.0.0 out and appreciated by all. No one doubted that 4.0.0 wasn't about to come out. The ASF community has a precedence for seeking consensus, and valuing community over code. The latter point is a touchy topic, wide open to different opinions about what constitutes a healthy and inclusive community both in the short and long term. In my opinion, rushing people never helps, bear with us and we will get there and get there together. And I believe we will have some valuable retrospectives from current threads to help us become even better at what we do. kind regards, Mick
