+1 on cutting an alpha and having a clear, documented test plan[1] for alpha. 
We need volunteers to drive the test plan, though. :)

Thanks,

Dinesh

[1] 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CASSANDRA/4.0+Quality%3A+Components+and+Test+Plans

> On Aug 28, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Jon Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
> 
> Regarding the dynamic snitch improvements, it's gone through several rounds
> of review already and there's been significant testing of it.  Regarding
> the token change, switching a number from 256 -> 16 isn't so invasive that
> we shouldn't do it.  There's a little extra work that needs to be done
> there ideally to ensure safety, but it's again small enough where it
> shouldn't be too big of a problem imo.  Both current implementations (256
> tokens + our insanely over memory allocating dynamic snitch) limit the
> ability of people to run large clusters, harming both availability and
> performance.  It's been extremely harmful for Cassandra's reputation and
> I'd really like it if we could ship something where I don't have to
> constantly apologize to people I'm trying to help for the land mine
> defaults we put out there.
> 
> To your point, I agree as a community we're lacking in an open, well
> documented and up to date plan, and it needs to be addressed.  I think the
> virtual meetings idea held at a regular might help a bit with that, I
> intend on participating there.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:52 AM Joshua McKenzie <jmcken...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> dynamic snitch improvements, fixing token counts
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> they're small enough
>> 
>> 
>> By what axis of measurement out of curiosity? Risk to re-test and validate
>> a final artifact? Do we have a more clear understanding of what testing has
>> taken place across the community?
>> 
>> The last I saw, our documented test plan
>> <
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CASSANDRA/4.0+Quality%3A+Components+and+Test+Plans
>>> 
>> hasn't
>> been maintained or kept up to date
>> <
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-14862?jql=project%20%3D%20CASSANDRA%20AND%20%20labels%20%3D%204.0-QA
>>> .
>> Is there another artifact reflecting what testing people have in flight to
>> better reflect what risk of needing to re-test we have from these (and
>> other) post-freeze changes?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 11:52 AM Jon Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey folks,
>>> 
>>> I think it's time we cut a 4.0 alpha release.  Before I put up a vote
>>> thread, is there a reason not to have a 4.0 alpha before ApacheCon /
>>> Cassandra Summit?
>>> 
>>> There's a handful of small issues that I should be done for 4.0 (client
>>> list in virtual tables, dynamic snitch improvements, fixing token
>> counts),
>>> I'm not trying to suggest we don't include them, but they're small
>> enough I
>>> think it's OK to merge them in following the first alpha.
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>> 


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