I'll also mention that these CAs are supposed to be audited to
"financial services" levels.  The root that it chains to is
EV-enabled.

The fact that audits didn't pick up on the discrepancies that Eddy
found between Comodo's CP/CPS and Robin's statements suggests that
Comodo's playing dirty pool, and Frank's letting them get away with
it.

-Kyle H

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Eddy Nigg <eddy_n...@startcom.org> wrote:
> On 12/27/2008 02:16 PM, Ian G:
>>
>> Indeed, this is the "Verisign buyout model"; outsource something new,
>> get huge, get bought out by Verisign.
>
> What has that to do exactly with what Paul agreed to?
>
>> It doesn't matter in business principle whether it outsources a function
>> to a reseller, to its employees or to the government.
>
> Of course it does. Besides that an employee isn't outsourcing, he is part of
> the company. Or one might ask, why are certain functions never outsourced to
> a third party? Or perhaps lets start to outsource the CA root key
> responsibilities as well then...
>
>>
>> Is there a criteria anywhere that says or implies "The CA has not
>> outsourced critical function X to an external agent?" Can anyone recall
>> such a statment?
>
> Yes, the some extend Mozilla does that already today with the "Problematic
> Practices". For example auditing of intermediate CAs shouldn't be outsourced
> from the auditor to the CA (it's just the other way around).
>
> And if there is no such criteria we might still create and adopt it. This is
> no precedence, there are other criterion already.
>
>> that a popular incentive is to generate opportunities for business
>> revenues.
>
> So? Mozilla really shouldn't care about the business revenues of some CAs.
> How is that relevant?
>
>> As advice this would remain fine and standard. However trying to create
>> some sort of restriction on how these things are done is likely to close
>> of opportunities to do it better another way, in the future.
>>
>
> I think what Paul suggested is exactly what any responsible CA should do. I
> believe most do exactly that today. Specially in light that it's a core
> requirement of the Mozilla CA policy.
>
> --
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>
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