> No.  There is no consensus.  There are opposing camps.  One camp
> believes that the solution is to drop all self-signed certs.  Another
> camp believes that Key Continuity Management is the answer.  Yet a third
> camp believes that user training has to be done, and the UI needs a
> little tweaking, is all.  A fourth camp has written off SSL / secure
> browsing as irrepairably flawed.  A fifth camp believes that only
> protocol bugs and the number of bits is security, the rest is outside
> purview.  A sixth camp believes this is not a technical issue at all,
> and will be solved by the lawyers.  If we look over the hill, we'll see
> other camps, hear much muttering, and in the end, we all return to our
> cups and mutter on...

How about a consensus that there is no consensus?
[camp A] NO!
[camp B] NEVER!

Thanks for the nuanced answers Ian G and the rest, I've enjoyed this
chat. I'm not sure exactly what I had hoped to contribute, but I've
certainly educated myself.

> You want a cup of wine with your muttering? :)

1994 Urbina Gran Reserva Rioja if you please.
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