I agree with this assessment.  Maintaining accountability when sites don't
have a window to attribute activity to is a recurrent issue that this group
has never properly resolved.  Asking for permission seems to be the defense
of choice, but that only prevents the initiation of unaccountable
activities.

We grappled with the same with push and I don't know that we ever
satisfactorily addressed it, though our limitations on background activity
without notifications at least encourages a degree of visibility.


On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 5:08 AM Anne van Kesteren <ann...@annevk.nl> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 3:58 PM L. David Baron <dba...@dbaron.org> wrote:
> > The W3C is proposing a revised charter for:
> >
> >   Service Workers Working Group
> >   https://www.w3.org/2019/11/proposed-sw-wg-charter-2019.html
> >   https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2019Nov/0004.html
>
> A couple of us looked at Background Sync and thus far have not been
> able to come up with a way to get informed consent from users for
> executing scripts in the background in a way that is non-intrusive and
> doesn't lead to abuse. Given that, I think Mozilla should object to it
> being in the charter. Background Fetch has a similar issue, but
> (thanks to Youenn Fablet for the insight) there might be a way to
> salvage that, by running the "fetches completed" script on next visit.
> This might require some API changes though so hopefully the charter
> can indicate that somehow. (Bikeshed: Background Downloads.)
>
> (The description for Service Workers, "This specification defines an
> API to enable applications to take advantage of persistent background
> processing.", also seems wrong or perhaps multiple uses of
> "background" are used in the same text, but development of SW remains
> important of course.)
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