On 04/29/2016 08:30 AM, sn...@snorp.net wrote: > The engineers in Platform consistently want to dismiss mobile-specific > issues, and this is a great example. If you really want to get ICU into > Fennec, find a way to do it without bloating the APK size instead of bullying > the Fennec folks.
Your point is taken, modulo quibbling (that some might characterize more strongly). Not all size questions should be/are viewed alike by Platform or even by individual engineers. For example, I heard about a recent few-hundred-K hit purely for quality of service, which seemed a bit much to me and you both. (Deliberately not saying whodunit.) But okay. DOM features rarely die, so there's a limit to how much code we can remove. And web developers (and by extension end users visiting their sites) expect browsers to do increasingly many things, so we must continue adding code. Intl isn't special; it's just one new feature of many (albeit one with fundamentally irreducible complexity, human communication being beyond the control even of web standards bodies, let alone us). This story will never change with Gecko. But we can't fully serve developers with the stagnating system-based engine. It'll be difficult to impossible to offer new layout/rendering features, new DOM features, hypothetical browser-integration improvements into existing features, new JS features that aren't standard library additions, or new JS standard library additions *that are optimally fast in JITs*. It'll be functionally impossible to affect the development of standards having particular (or perhaps sole) importance on mobile, using an uncontrollable rendering engine. Yet another browser shell does not promote "choice and innovation on the Internet", especially so on mobile where increasingly more browsing occurs now. Gecko, like any big codebase, has flab. I can't estimate how much. But there's practically zero possibility it has flab matching the numbers suggested in <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1215247#c14>, implicitly desiring a 50%+ size reduction, no matter how far Platform bends over backward, or how cooperative Platform engineers are. Jeff _______________________________________________ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
