At least @Nicklas, @Esteve and I share almost the same point of view. In order: 1. have a clear list of things to do to have a basic JSF (ie scopes) +JPA+security modules and make them work for DS v0.4 2. have a basic documentation for DS v0.4 more from a user/integrator point of view than from a DS designer/architect point of view 3. have sample apps: - one sample app that demonstrate all of the JSF/scopes components, with a login page and a basic database model (with derby) - one that demonstrate the usaege of DS in J2SE for batchs or unit tests 4. find a name: CDILink? Caramel? Glue? Caddie? 5. graduate to TLP 6. define and publicies what v0.5 will contain: updates in JSF+JPA+security+fondation, new modules (cdi-queries, servlet) etc.
WDYT? 2013/3/26 Nicklas Karlsson <[email protected]>: > +1 > > I guess it's a bit of a "chicken and egg"-thingie (taking off as a project > and building community). The current team is talented and I don't doubt it > will thrive and become the "de facto" extension framework for CDI, however > for the project to really take off it would help if > > * The documentation covered everything that can be done (even brief is > better that nothing) > * A clear roadmap (e.g the focus for 0.5 will be JSF and will cover the > following JIRAs, the estimate release window is xx.xx) > * Tutoring/orchestration for the team (some overview on who could do what, > make sure stuff integrates well) > * A catchy name ;-) I'm not sure if the name is on the table but I'm not > overly fond of the current name. Perhaps something more "snappy" in the > lines of Snap, Crackle, Pop, Chew, Bite. OK, not those but you get the > point... > > And I do appreciate the fact that this is a volunteer-project and people > have limited hours. > > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:34 AM, John D. Ament <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Mark, >> >> My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to blossom yet. >> Maybe another month or two :-) >> >> I will point out an issue which I don't think we've resolved yet per the >> documentation on incubator.a.o >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements >> >> - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g. >> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH >> has >> no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote thread to >> [email protected] to let them know we're thinking about it. >> >> However, most of my comments are around this section of graduation: >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I don't >> believe we've done this too well. There are only three developers I see on >> the list that were not on >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we now have >> 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we shrank?) >> >> Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to graduate >> that only released their parent POM a couple times :-) >> >> Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following majority, per >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't believe we need >> 100% consensus in the matter then, correct? >> >> John >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > Hi John! >> > >> > I'm not sure I understand what you mean. >> > >> > The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of initial >> committers >> > are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the other. Means >> > code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people from the CODI >> > Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is from either the >> > Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In my opinion >> the >> > community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be happy if >> there >> > are more commits and contributions from the other folks. There is a >> pretty >> > stable set of 5+ regular committers. >> > >> > >> > We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a break because >> I >> > was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we are short >> > before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even if I'd be happier >> > if we would improve our release rate). >> > >> > >> > LieGrue, >> > strub >> > >> > >________________________________ >> > > From: John D. Ament <[email protected]> >> > >To: [email protected]; Mark Struberg < >> > [email protected]> >> > >Cc: deltaspike <[email protected]> >> > >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM >> > >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache >> > Top Level Project >> > > >> > > >> > >Sorry, but -1 >> > > >> > > >> > >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the former CODI >> team >> > and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true blockers to being a >> > cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two communities >> > to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release early and often." >> > > >> > > >> > >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become a single team >> > and work on becoming that single team. >> > > >> > > >> > >John >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > >> > >Lords and Ladies. >> > >> >> > >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating DeltaSpike out of the >> > Incubator and establishing it as TLP. >> > >> >> > >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it >> > >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care >> > >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and re-roll because of >> > ${reason} >> > >> >> > >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we gonna tally and >> forward >> > the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once this is done, >> > the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board meeting. >> > >> >> > >>LieGrue, >> > >>strub >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>--------------- >> > >> >> > >>Proposed Board Resolution Report >> > >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project >> > >> >> > >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best >> > >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the >> > >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management >> > >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of >> > >>open-source software related to creating a set >> > >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions >> > >>for distribution at no charge to the public. >> > >> >> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management >> > >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeltaSpike Project", >> > >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the >> > >>Foundation; and be it further >> > >> >> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby is >> > >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of open-source >> > >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI Extensions; >> > >>and be it further >> > >> >> > >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike" be >> > >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office to >> > >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair >> > >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary responsibility >> > >>for management of the projects within the scope of >> > >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further >> > >> >> > >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and >> > >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the >> > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project: >> > >> >> > >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org> >> > >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org> >> > >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> >> > >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com> >> > >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com> >> > >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org >> > >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de> >> > >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de> >> > >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com> >> > >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com> >> > >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com> >> > >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org> >> > >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org> >> > >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org> >> > >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me> >> > >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org> >> > >> >> > >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark Struberg >> > >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeltaSpike, to >> > >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the >> > >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until >> > >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, >> > >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further >> > >> >> > >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be and hereby is >> > >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to >> > >>encourage open development and increased participation in the >> > >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further >> > >> >> > >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and hereby >> > >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache >> > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further >> > >> >> > >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache >> > >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator >> > >>Project are hereafter discharged. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > -- > Nicklas Karlsson, +358 40 5062266 > Vaakunatie 10 as 7, 20780 Kaarina
