+1 Mark That's what I was thinking of. (jsf runtimes, not component libraries).
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> wrote: > with JSF-2 this is now almost obsolete, isn't? > JSF-2 has <f:validateBean> which works perfectly fine. > > LieGrue, > strub > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thomas Andraschko <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:31 PM > > Subject: Re: DeltaSpike Roadmap > > > > Are you sure? PrimeFaces does not have one. I only know richfaces' > > graphValidator and it's IMO not that easy and cool as s:validateForm. > > > > 2013/3/25 John D. Ament <[email protected]> > > > >> I believe all of the major JSF component libraries support some type of > >> form validation using BV. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Thomas Andraschko < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > Any news about s:validateForm? > >> > As i said, it's great feature of seam3 and would perfectly fit DS > > (IMO). > >> > > >> > I could also add it to DS if no one have enough time... :) > >> > > >> > 2012/12/17 Gerhard Petracek <[email protected]> > >> > > >> > > there is a reason why it is just an add-on ;) > >> > > and yes, if you would do it with the jsf2-api, it would be a bit > >> easier. > >> > > but you can use this add-on also for jsf 1.x and some users who > > don't > >> > like > >> > > to use seam are happy with it. > >> > > however, i just mentioned it as an example to show that cdi > > isn't > >> needed > >> > to > >> > > implement such a functionality. > >> > > > >> > > regards, > >> > > gerhard > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > 2012/12/17 Lincoln Baxter, III <[email protected]> > >> > > > >> > > > Also, note that the use-cases for <s:validateForm> and > > the latter > >> > example > >> > > > are different in their usage. IMO, <s:validateForm> is > > much more > >> > > > declarative and simple than the example provided from > > extval. > >> > > > > >> > > > Just write a validator and attach it like you would normal > > to a > >> > component > >> > > > in the view, wherever you want to use it. You can also > > re-use > >> > > > form-validators using this method, instead of using some (in > > my > >> > opinion) > >> > > > strange view-filtering logic in the FormValidator > > annotation. > >> > > > > >> > > > <s:validateForm> is/was one of the most well recieved > > feature of Seam > >> > > > Faces, and I think it deserves serious consideration. Can > > you do form > >> > > > validation other ways? absolutely, but this way is pretty > > compelling > >> > > based > >> > > > on the feedback we got. It also ties in very normally with > > the way in > >> > > which > >> > > > JSF handles validation and components, which is not > > something that I > >> > can > >> > > > speak about with regard to extval, but I can say that seam > > faces does > >> > > this > >> > > > nicely. > >> > > > > >> > > > ~Lincoln > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Thomas Andraschko < > >> > > > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > Please do not mix both :) > >> > > > > We had the discussion about commons bv constrains. > > s:validateForm > >> is > >> > > > > completely different compared to bv constraints. > >> > > > > s:validateForm does not fit the project for common bv > > constraints. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 2012/12/17 Karl Kildén <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Looks really nice I understand finally :-) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > In retrospect I don't know why I didn't > > check the docs myself, > >> > > probably > >> > > > > > because I read most of the discussion on the phone > > to begin with. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I then agree with the many suggestions regarding > > doing it as a > >> > > parallel > >> > > > > > project. Perhaps that module could have a sub > > module for CDI > >> users > >> > > > that > >> > > > > > included producers and such. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Best regards / Karl > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2012/12/17 Gerhard Petracek > > <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > hi karl, > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > it's implemented via a producer - see > > [1]. > >> > > > > > > but you don't really need cdi for it - > > see e.g. [2]. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards, > >> > > > > > > gerhard > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [1] http://s.apache.org/ury > >> > > > > > > [2] > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > http://os890.blogspot.co.at/2010/06/multi-field-form-validation-with-jsr.html > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Thomas Andraschko > > <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As far as i understand, validateAll just > > validates all > >> > components > >> > > > but > >> > > > > > you > >> > > > > > > > can't use custom logic. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Checkout the seam docu here: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > http://docs.jboss.org/seam/3/faces/latest/reference/en-US/html/components.html > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Karl Kildén > > <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hrmm still not sure I understand. > > First off didn't Pete > >> just > >> > > say > >> > > > it > >> > > > > > was > >> > > > > > > > > just a JSF-validator? It also > > sounds and reads just like > >> > > > > validateAll > >> > > > > > > from > >> > > > > > > > > omnifaces? > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What is lacking that you would like > > to see solved by CDI? > >> And > >> > > is > >> > > > > it a > >> > > > > > > > > natural fit for CDI extensions > > rather then BV / JSF > >> > extensions? > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best regards / Karl > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Thomas Andraschko > > <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hi, > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > they are nice but i can't > > see a replacement for > >> > > s:validateForm. > >> > > > > > > > > > IMO s:validateForm is really a > > simple solution for > >> > > cross-field > >> > > > > > > > > validation, > >> > > > > > > > > > which is CDI based. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards, > >> > > > > > > > > > THomas > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Karl Kildén > > <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Well these are the > > validators from omnifaces as per my > >> > > > previous > >> > > > > > > > > > > recommendation: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - > > RequiredCheckboxValidator< > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/RequiredCheckboxValidator.xhtml > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - validateAll< > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateAll.xhtml > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - > > validateAllOrNone< > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateAllOrNone.xhtml > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - validateEqual< > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateEqual.xhtml > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - validateOne< > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateOne.xhtml > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - > > validateOneOrMore< > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateOneOrMore.xhtml > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - > > validateOneOrNone< > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateOneOrNone.xhtml > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - validateOrder< > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateOrder.xhtml > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - validateUnique > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > https://showcase-omnifaces.rhcloud.com/showcase/validators/validateUnique.xhtml > >> > > > > > > > > > > >Best > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards / Karl > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Thomas > > Andraschko < > >> > [email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > PrimeFaces > > doesn't have such a component/utility. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Also AFAICS it's > > based on CDI, so IMO DeltaSpike is a > >> > > good > >> > > > > > place > >> > > > > > > > for > >> > > > > > > > > > it. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Jason > > Porter <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 17, > > 2012 at 4:54 AM, Pete Muir < > >> > > > > [email protected] > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec > > 2012, at 08:55, Gerhard Petracek wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi > > karl, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #1 > > apache myfaces (extval) doesn't implement > >> jsr > >> > > 303 > >> > > > > > (e.g. > >> > > > > > > > > apache > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bval > > implements it) > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #2 > > there is no agreement that ds is only > >> backend > >> > > > > oriented > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gerhard > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/12/17 Karl Kildén <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Hi Thomas, fellow user here. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > BV is as you may know specified in JSR-303. It > >> > has > >> > > > > great > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementations by > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > myfaces and hibernate that you can find > >> easily. > >> > > Thus > >> > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > > will > >> > > > > > > > > > not > >> > > > > > > > > > > > be > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > implemented in deltaspike afaik. However > >> > providing > >> > > > > some > >> > > > > > > > common > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraints > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > beyond the specification sounds like a good > >> > idea. > >> > > > Note > >> > > > > > > that > >> > > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > while @Email is almost trivial to implement > >> > > yourself > >> > > > > if > >> > > > > > > you > >> > > > > > > > > > search > >> > > > > > > > > > > > it > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > little. JSR-303 is highly extensible just like > >> > > CDI. > >> > > > > The > >> > > > > > > > > > > > implementation > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > choose might have it as an extra already. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > For frontend extras I can't say I see an > >> obvious > >> > > > home > >> > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > > deltaspike > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > (someone correct me if I am wrong about this). > >> > > But I > >> > > > > > think > >> > > > > > > > for > >> > > > > > > > > > now > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Deltaspike is more backend oriented. I > >> recommend > >> > > > > having > >> > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > look > >> > > > > > > > > > at > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > omnifaces > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > that already provide several great custom > >> > > > > jsf-validators > >> > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > has > >> > > > > > > > > > > an > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > open > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > request for users to ask for additional ones. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > best regards / Karl > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > 2012/12/16 Thomas Andraschko < > >> > > > > > [email protected] > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Hi, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> is there a roadmap available for all upcoming > >> > > > > features? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Will there also be a BV module in the future? > >> > > Will > >> > > > it > >> > > > > > > also > >> > > > > > > > > > > include > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > some > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> commons constraints like Email? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I > > think this could be a good thing for a > >> > > parallel > >> > > > > > > project > >> > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > DeltaSpike > > actually - a library of BV constraints > >> > not > >> > > > > > branded > >> > > > > > > > by > >> > > > > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > specific > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > impl. > > I've cc'd Emmanuel, spec lead for BV, to > >> see > >> > if > >> > > > he > >> > > > > > has > >> > > > > > > > any > >> > > > > > > > > > > plans > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > for > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > thing. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> What about the Seam s:validateForm? IMO it's > >> a > >> > > > simple > >> > > > > > way > >> > > > > > > > for > >> > > > > > > > > > > cross > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > field > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> validation. Will this be added in future > >> > > releases? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is > > not actually a BV validator, but a JSF > >> > > > > validator. I > >> > > > > > > > know > >> > > > > > > > > > Mark > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on > > JSF stuff for DeltaSpike atm, perhaps > >> > this > >> > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > something > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Jason > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could add > > to that. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this > > something that belongs in DeltaSpike, or > >> > should > >> > > > it > >> > > > > be > >> > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > > JSF > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > component > > library? I know RichFaces has something > >> > very > >> > > > > > > similar, I > >> > > > > > > > > > > believe > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PrimeFaces does > > as well (haven't looked for a > >> while) > >> > > and > >> > > > I > >> > > > > > have > >> > > > > > > > no > >> > > > > > > > > > idea > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > about other > > component libraries. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> How can i contribue to DeltaSpike? I could do > >> > > some > >> > > > > > > smaller > >> > > > > > > > > > tasks > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> problems. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> I also implemented constraints like > >> > > > > > > > > > > EqualsExpression("#{...}"). > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > this > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> could be useful for other users, too. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This page > > should help - > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > http://deltaspike.staging.apache.org/deltaspike/community.html > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Best regards, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Thomas > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason Porter > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lightguard-jp.blogspot.com > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/lightguardjp > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Software > > Engineer > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Open Source > > Advocate > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PGP key id: > > 926CCFF5 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PGP key > > available at: keyserver.net, pgp.mit.edu > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Lincoln Baxter, III > >> > > > http://ocpsoft.org > >> > > > "Simpler is better." > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >
