Ok, you are talking about javax.transaction.TransactionManager and 
javax.transaction.Transaction?
The problem with this is, that the way to receive them is very 
container-dependent and we would have to maintain very much container-specific 
code.
If we decide to go that way we definitely would need a separate JTA module.
But the only benefit I see is that we could suspend and resume on 
transactions...
Is that worth the effort?
That would be something that a user could implement in a container-specific 
way, if he needs it...

Cheers,
Arne

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Romain Manni-Bucau [mailto:[email protected]] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2012 11:31
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-175] [DELTASPIKE-219] @Transactional

right but i wonder about the integration with a container managed transactions. 
UserTransaction is pretty close to resource local from a tx management point of 
view.

- Romain


2012/7/5 Arne Limburg <[email protected]>

> That would come out of the box, when JTA UserTransaction is used or am 
> I wrong?
>
> Cheers,
> Arne
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Romain Manni-Bucau [mailto:[email protected]]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2012 11:20
> An: [email protected]
> Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-175] [DELTASPIKE-219] 
> @Transactional
>
> Why not allowing to use
> javax.transaction.TransactionSynchronizationRegistry ?
>
> - Romain
>
>
> 2012/7/5 Arne Limburg <[email protected]>
>
> > Hi,
> > I would not create an own module for JTA, since it will be just some 
> > lines of code after extracting an AbstractPersistenceStrategy from 
> > the ResourceLocalPersistenceStrategy.
> >
> > Or do we have other JTA stuff that would go into that module?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Arne
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Mark Struberg [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2012 11:07
> > An: [email protected]
> > Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-175] [DELTASPIKE-219] 
> > @Transactional
> >
> > The original intent was to move all the jta stuff in an own module 
> > which would then automatically enable the JtaPersistenceStrategy.
> >
> >
> > But we actually have a 3rd option:
> >
> > Create an AutodetectPersitenceStrategy and make this the default. It 
> > could lookup the one to take via configuration. That way a user 
> > could override according to his intention.
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Arne Limburg <[email protected]>
> > > To: "[email protected]"
> > > <[email protected]>
> > > Cc:
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 11:03 AM
> > > Subject: [DISCUSS] [DELTASPIKE-175] [DELTASPIKE-219] 
> > > @Transactional
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > yesterday I startet working on the JTA support for @Transactional.
> > > My current approach is to implement a JtaPersistenceStrategy.
> > > However that leads me to the problem: Who decides which 
> > > PersistenceStrategy should be taken and how should this decision 
> > > be
> made?
> > > I have three suggestions:
> > >
> > > 1.      We detect, if a UserTransaction is available, if so, the
> > > JtaPersistenceStrategy is taken, otherwise the 
> > > ResourceLocalPersistenceStrategy is taken.
> > >
> > > 2.      We detect, if the involved persistence units use JTA or
> > > RESOURCE_LOCAL (which would lead to another question: Would we 
> > > like to support, that @Transactional mixes both strategies?) and 
> > > decide from that information
> > >
> > > 3.      We let the user decide by making one (or both) persistence
> > > strategies @Alternatives What do you think?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Arne
> > >
> >
>

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