On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 07:23:42AM +0100, Szilveszter Farkas wrote:

> the php scripts are licensed under the GPL. just to mention some,
> which are already included in debian: postnuke, phpnuke,
> phpmyadmin,...

This would not be the first time that a licensing problem slipped beneath
the notice of the ftp masters.  Thank you for pointing out these
packages; I'll take them to debian-legal for further discussion and
clarification, to make sure that the Debian archive remains in the clear
legally.

> SL> In addition, the concept of a webserver written entirely in PHP is
> SL> utterly abominable, an example of total programming putrifaction.  I
> SL> expect this code to be so inherently unmaintainable that its very
> SL> presence would warrant an RC bug.  As a DD and as a user of PHP, I
> SL> would ask that this package not be uploaded to Debian.

> and as a debian user i expect the debian developers to be
> broad-minded. i don't think that an open source community memeber
> should be so conservative. all new developments/ideas should be
> welcomed...

My goal as a developer is to produce a quality OS, not to provide
ftp space for every vanity project of dubious merit that someone latches
onto.  We do not need every "new development" to be uploaded to unstable
the moment it "develops".

The principle of Open Source is that superior software can be developed
through open collaboration.  You may consider my objection to this
package a modest effort to improve the quality of software on the
Internet.

> and this project really shows that php isn't just a web
> scripting language from now on (and you'll see that php 4.3 and 5.0
> will support client-side scripting more).

It tells me more about the poor judgement of the author than it tells me
about PHP as a language.  I already know quite enough about PHP to
understand why this software is not needed in Debian.

PHP is a very good, SPECIALIZED language, and unlike many other
developers, I find it has its uses.  Any effort to generalize PHP is
likely to impair its usefulness as a web scripting language, for no
particular gain.

-- 
Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

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