On 2025-12-13 at 00:35, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2025 at 02:31:17PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. > wrote: > >> On Thursday 11 December 2025 10:24:21 pm The Wanderer wrote: >> >>> That's certainly one of the major aspects of the reasons I don't >>> care for the systemd ways of doing logging. I recognize that they >>> have their advantages, and that there are good reasons people >>> went to the trouble of implementing them; I just don't think >>> those advantages outweigh the >>> proprietariness-or-something-similar disadvantages, in most >>> cases. >> >> I'd be interested in hearing what those advantages are. > > Do we have to do this? > > This whole thread just seems like less of a genuine query of how to > switch back to rsyslogd (or why not to) and more of an opportunity > for two groups of people to restate their firmly entrenched beliefs > and disingenuously ask for their minds to be changed (because that > won't be possible).
I do not parse the thread as a whole as being that, but as someone who genuinely does/did not know about how to switch back to rsyslogd trying to find out how to get the benefits of doing so. While the immediate question (from Roy) does seem a bit more like that, in my case - as a firm anti-proponent of systemd - I have used it as an opportunity to explain my understanding of what the advantages of journald are supposed to be. I do consider it important to be able to understand and explain the upsides of things you oppose, and the downsides of things you support. When someone can't, I consider that a sign that I should potentially not trust that person's assessment of that thing; there *are* things so good they have no realistic downside or so bad they have no realistic upside, but they are relatively rare (the former much more so than the latter). In the paragraph I wrote which is retained in quote above, I actually went out of my way to add the second sentence after consideration, in the interest both of being fair and of reducing the likelihood of sparking a systemd-related flame discussion. Even now, if I mentally delete that sentence from that paragraph, the result looks noticeably more flamebait-y to me. (I see nothing to - "disagree with" isn't quite the right term, but it's close - in the rest of what you wrote.) -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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