I a newbie. I've been using Debian about 4y, but I'm a slow learner. I picked up on this thread because the topic of helping newbies is particularly dear to me. But I didn't notice its beginning. So, I decided to look at it in the archives, and I need some help.
I cut and pasted the subject line into the search engine on the archive search web page and hit return. Back came a page that said there were no hits for this topic. What might I have done wrong? On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 10:04:29PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > On 2004-01-17, Mac McCaskie penned: > > > > > > Monique Y. Herman wrote: > > > >> Do you really consider basic etiquette to be a debian-specific "bow > >> down and scrape" requirement? > >> > > > > I consider "basic etiquette" to be very benificial when asking for > > advice AND when giving it. It is my hope that this conversation (aka > > debate) will accomplish a few small goals. > > What goal, pray tell? Ninety-eight percent of the time, the people in > this newsgroup who respond to questions are polite and helpful, even > when the person asking the questions clearly hasn't done the first thing > to research the problem first. Every now and then, someone appears out > of the blue to spew forth accusations of purposeful ostracism and insult > the volunteers who do what they can to make Debian a better system. > Yes, I agree that it is best to simply ignore a rude individual, but in > these sorts of situations, ignoring the post will simply reinforce the > person's belief that the Debian community is some sort of secret > society. It's hard to respond to a blatant troll, which in fact is what > this post looked like (especially considering the lack of any further > posts from the OP), without showing a little ire. > > > As a noobie (or newbie? it doesn't matter) to this particular platform > > I can understand someone elses' frustration in learning how it use it. > > As a seasoned professional paid to support computer users with any > > level of knowledge, I can also note the severe "Club" atmosphere some > > have displayed today. I have learned to seperate my personal feelings > > of inadaquacies from the frustration of the person asking for help and > > not take it personally. The end result is a user who has not been > > be-littled or shamed and is a little more able to take care of > > themselves (hows that for a win-win situation). > > I don't care how you spell newbie, myself. I can understand a person's > frustration in learning anything. But my understanding of their > frustration does not mean that I have to put up with someone insulting > me and the things I care about. > > I have no idea what your support job has to do with noting the "Club" > atmosphere blah blah blah ... But maybe you should note the tons of > people who post here asking questions, and the hundreds of responses a > day that appear. Note this: when people ask a polite question and > someone can help them, they get a polite answer. Did you ever watch > Sesame Street? "One of these things is not like the other ..." > > Nice little jab there. Personal feelings of inadequacy. Heh. I almost > missed it in all the blather. Look, dude. I learned when I was a kid > that if I wanted help, I had to ask nicely and remember to say "please" > and "thank you." Maybe I'm crazy, but I expect others to have learned > that lesson, and to recognize when that lesson is once again being > taught. > > > Yes, I have received some good advice on this list in the last week > > (including today) which has been very helpful. Today, I discovered > > some other comments should go into "useless" catagory. > > I'm glad. I'm also amazed that you didn't learn this long ago in other > contexts and generalize it to this one. All sources of information are > part signal, part noise. > > > > > What did you learn today? > > > > I learned that I'm better at SSX 3 than I used to be at SSX 3, but > that my fiance can still beat the pants off of me with one hand tied > behind his back. And while I got upset that he was able to do in three > tries what I wasn't able to accomplish in hundreds of iterations, I > realized that getting upset at him was inappopriate, and I apologized. > > -- > monique > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
