Eddie composed on 2025-04-24 13:21 (UTC-0400):

> I am looking at the Staples Dell refurbished desktops for a debian 
> machine. No windows! I believe a hard drive and around 16gb but am not 
> sure of processor and do not want nvidia card. Thoughts appreciated.

I have about 16 Optiplexes of various vintages older than those now for sale at
Staples. All mine shipped either with Intel iGPUs (most) or with Radeons (oldest
models only), none with NVidia. Mine have been reliable business class PCs. I've
never run across one configured with dual graphics or solely NVidia dGPU.

For long support life expectancy I recommend you check the CPU in any model you
favor. Intel iX-4### and newer are x86-64v3 or better and should be good for a
very long time. Older Intel versions may be only x86-64v2, with possible loss of
support (as is now happening for 32bit in Trixie) before natural retirement. The
same thing applies to AMD CPUs, but I'm not aware of its dividing line between 
v2
and v3. I'm not aware that plans have been made for Debian regarding these 
support
specifications, but since it is in the plans or already existing for SUSE and
RedHat, it should be no surprise to happen eventually in Debian too. The CPU
instruction that functions as a marker is SSE4.2, which v3 CPUs support and v2 
do not.
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Felix Miata

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