On 1/1/25 12:15, Michael Stone wrote:
On Wed, Jan 01, 2025 at 09:29:01AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
Please don't feed the trolls.
It's a tough line to walk. On the one hand, yeah, we don't want to
feed the trolls. But if the trolls keep going anyway with no sign they
will stop, we run the risk of implicitly supporting unchallenged
narratives. A person walking in fresh is told repeatedly that debian
capriciously suppresses people just trying to help, and is hostile to
questions, newcomers, whatever. Should they just believe that? If they
see post after post of (the same) people posting problems that nobody
can or will solve, do they feel encouraged to post their own
questions? The people who have been around just delete the noise on
autopilot--which is certainly a useful coping mechanism--but where
does that leave new arrivals and what does that do to the basic
character of the list? The internet has yet to really come up with a
good answer to any of this.
What gets lost in the translation is the fact that debian serves as a
filter that 95% of the other distro's use as src for their versions. In
the process, fixing the x86'isms so it runs on other architectures.
Can't be helped, they share a chair at the head of the linux table with
red hat. Trying to satisfy all is a hopeless cause, but some of the
more important stuff inevitably falls thru the cracks too. Like the
present situation where the installer can't find a network on arm stuff.
If it could, we could build on that, using debian-arm, but no network is
a mountain many can't climb w/o an error msg we can read. The interface
is not even created by the installer. I had to setup a dhcpd server for
one of my printers, but even with a working dhcpd on my local
192.168.xx,yy net, your current installer cannot find it. Apparently it
does work for many others, people who seem to be satisfied if it boots.
To actually boot and do something useful is blasphemous. Why not for me?
So I use something that just works. Either way, I catch sttatic but that
non working debian-arm code was fixed by others. IMO those patches s/b
incorporated in debian-arm. It boils down to debian having the idea
they can do no wrong, not accepting such help is the elephant in this room.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
